POWIP Piece of Work In Progress

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   Das Truth
   December 24th, 2009 - 08:24

   If you stand as defender to this Godless death march of a health care system that we currently have in America in lieu of what could be, you, Sir, shall feel the hard swing.

   Twitter boi, this isn’t about Obama, only a partisan bullshit howler would think in such narrow partisan brackets. Our lacking health care system is symbolic of an ignorant corrupt America that allowed itself to stray far off course solely for the benefit of a few and at the cost of endless suffering of millions.

   It’s Epic Failure defined.

   Death Panel – middle finger raised, bird flown!

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   Dan Collins
   December 24th, 2009 - 08:30

   That’s not analysis.

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     Enoch_Root
     December 24th, 2009 - 08:35

     His next moniker will be “Anal Isis”

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   Das Truth
   December 24th, 2009 - 08:44

   I’m enjoying my coffee. I didn’t travel half-way across America to be with my family only to ignore them while analyzing for you.

   This I don’t defend: the inert nature of our political process that rewards corrupt politicians who not only do nothing but glorify their nothingness as a superior political trait. America is flawed. Horribly flawed.

   I’ll analyze it for ya later, unless what passes for analysis here is splashing links to radically partisan and factually empty websites, that I won’t do.

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     Bob Reed
     December 24th, 2009 - 10:46

     Enjoy Christmas with your family thor. And afterward I’m looking forward to your analysis; not only of this legoslation, but of the legislative priorities of the President and all his men…

     It could be a POWIP like “crossfire” used to be on CNN.

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   Dan Collins
   December 24th, 2009 - 08:51

   Thanks, I hope you’re having a great Christmas. I’m really very interested in your cost-benefits analysis of this historic and unprecedented piece of legerdislation.

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   serr8d
   December 24th, 2009 - 09:05

   Hmmmph. Asking Tom thor for cogent analysis on any given topic re: his imaginary lover Obama would be like asking Jane Hamsher to side with Grover Norquist against Rahm Emanuel.

   Wait…

   (Tom thor could probably do a scatological comparison of Darleen Click and Sarah Palin, two women of the caliber he could never aspire to realize. Got Russkie bimbo close at hand, thorboi? )

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     Das Truth
     December 24th, 2009 - 19:55

     Hi, Tennessee QUUEEER. Please come to Texas so I can shoot the tin foil hat off your head.

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   Lazarus Long
   December 24th, 2009 - 11:48

   “. I didn’t travel half-way across America to be with my family….”

   Anyone else getting the feeling that that’s another lie?

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     Das Truth
     December 24th, 2009 - 20:02

     Anyone else get the feeling P’brain’s breath probably smells like the ass end of wayward sailor boy?

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   happyfeet
   December 24th, 2009 - 14:46

   Merry Christmas to everyone even though all is dark and grim and getting darker and grimmer.

   And these health care legislations are gay and malicious.

   And it’s cold.

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   happyfeet
   December 24th, 2009 - 14:57

   corrupt politicians who not only do nothing but glorify their nothingness as a superior political trait

   DRJ founded this which I think prompts the question of who does Mike Crapo and his faggot colleagues think they are?

   Senators, scrambling to leave Washington after a Christmas Eve vote on health care, have one tool to make their travel go more smoothly: They can reserve multiple flights and pay for just one.

   The Senate and House have maintained this longtime perk, despite passing sweeping ethics rules in 2007 that bar lawmakers from accepting gifts or meals from any groups seeking to influence lawmakers.

   It’s not an option open to the general traveling public, but lawmakers fought to preserve the multiple-booking benefit, saying their schedules make it hard to predict when they can leave Washington.

   I know who I think they are. Corrupt homos. You know who lurvs them some corrupt homos? Public Citizen lurvs them some corrupt homos.

   It’s OK for airlines to grant the multiple-booking privilege to lawmakers, because it gives members of Congress the flexibility to work long hours,” said nutsack-laver Craig Holman of the government “watchdog group” Public Citizen. “You can’t apply gift rules that hinder a person from being a lawmaker,” he said.

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   Dan Collins
   December 24th, 2009 - 15:12

   Merry Christmas, hf. I know I’ve said it before, but if you ever want to do any posting here . . .

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    Enoch_Root
    December 24th, 2009 - 15:22

    I too would love the Feets to post here.

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    happyfeet
    December 24th, 2009 - 15:22

    Merry Christmas to you and yours Mr. Collins… thank you for your offer… someday, maybe… I’m hopeful yet that 2010 will bring all sorts of changes anticipated and un.

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    happyfeet
    December 24th, 2009 - 15:23

    and howdy Enoch too

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    Das Truth
    December 24th, 2009 - 20:19

    Back to Dan Collin’s question.

    Do you know what a pre-existing condition as defined in medical health in terms is?

    I’m sure you do, sadly. Once the health care reform bill is passed it will provide billions in subsidies for low and middle class Americans to purchase private insurance. Health insurance that’s portable, that’s not subject to pre-existing condition cancellation nor monetary caps in coverage.

    What did your punk-ass rethuglidum party of bathroom stall foot tapping clowns ever do to insure that Americans have access to affordable health care. Prescription D, that should be your answer, and it was mostly just a corrupt kickback of tax-payer money to big pharm, but that’s how you boys grease it, straight to the big boys! HAha. Yeah, you’re something, benefiting from Howard Dean Care up there in Vermont and telling the rest of us that we got to deal with it, man, just deal! Do you keep your fingers crossed behind your back when you sputter about government subsidized care? You should.

    Nothing. Not a fuckin’ thing. You allowed Americans to get ass-raped and laughed about. That’s why you got nothing but blog-squealing, because you sure ain’t got the votes to effect much nowadays, do ya, cheerleader.

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    Das Truth
    December 24th, 2009 - 20:25

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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    Dan Collins
    December 24th, 2009 - 21:05

    Several things. First, Vermont, unlike most states, actually sequestered its tobacco settlement. Second, Prescription D refunds a lot of the money the state pays out for Aidan’s meds as it stands, and when he reaches 21 will pay almost all of it.

    Vermont does a lot of things that this plan won’t do, such as re-import medications. I don’t know why you think that the Republicans are more in bed with Pharma than the Democrats, Thor.

    The cost of the changes is enormous, even if it does cover 30 million who otherwise haven’t been. If you believe that it’s revenue neutral, you are nuts. Most of the additional costs are going to go to administrative salaries. Apart from increasing the percentage of government workers earning $100k or more by about 75% in the eleven months he’s been in office, it came out today that the CEOs of Fannie and Freddie stand to earn as much as $6 million in salaries and bonuses for serving the bailed out quasi-governmental entities: no clawback there.

    The trial lawyers are satisfied for the moment, because obviously their services ought to be remunerated at a level far exceeding that of physicians, as they clearly contribute more valuable services to the public than mere doctors do. Greedy bankers benefit from being close to money, but let it not be said that litigators (or legislators) benefit extravagantly from being close to the distribution of justice. In the long run, they’ll be barred from collecting the kinds of settlements they’ve become accustomed to, not because they’re ridiculous, but because legislators will tire of paying them.

    As far as medical care goes, excellence will not be rewarded, nor will indolence or incompetence be punished, as long as the numerical targets are met. Inevitably, this will cause demoralization. If this system were worthwhile, Congress would have acceded to enrolling–first, even, by way of demonstration. But our public servants obviously deserve better care than their constituents do, unless you’re in one of the 13 states that requested opt outs, so what’s the harm, right?

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      Das Truth
      December 24th, 2009 - 23:39

      Most of the additional costs will go to administrative salaries? Are you implying government administrative salaries, the entire cost?

      You might want to rephrase that, because it’s absurd on its face. The subsidies will go to private insurance companies providing the insurance policies. You know the ones, the same guys who’ve so far fucked everyone they possibly could, but then again that’s there job – to increase the bottom line through, cough, cough, DEATH PANELING! Maybe you meant the comparatively excessive private insurance companies’ administrative costs when compared to Medicare’s.

      Glad Gov. Dean did a good job for the state of Vermont seeing how you folks have re-importation, most states pay the full price for the big pharm’s overpriced drugs, cough, cough, with no ability to negotiate bulk purchase pricing. That was always the main compliant about Prescription D – the price. Between Dean and Bernie Sanders you have pretty good representation up there.

      I did like the way you worked FNMA and FHLMC into your screed, especially since I know for fact you haven’t a clue as to what those two companies actually do, rather, you simply prop ‘em up when you need a straw man, or a black guy (Harold Raines) or a gay guy (Barney Frank) to demonize.

      I want for this country a better system than the one we currently have. I want it to work for all, to be equitable to all, and to be available to all. Anyone who says America’s health care system is the best in the world should have their voting privileges revoked. We look like immoral, slovenly, disorganized chumps compared to some other countries. We have a better system than Tonga’s only because in Tonga they still employ witch doctors and leeches; that’s not exactly reaching for the high bar.

      I too want as many bean counters and lawyers out of the system as possible. They say watching legislation being passed is like watching sausage being made, well, I don’t want sausage after this legislation is passed. I want something that makes Goddamn sense and makes this country more competitive and provides necessary coverage to all Americans.

      Our banks fuck us. Our insurance companies fuck us. Our oil companies fuck us. What’s next, Republicans, water, H2O, air, O2, what other capitalist game of must our collective asses be violated with? Isn’t enough enough.

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        Bob Reed
        December 25th, 2009 - 00:04

        FWIW, Medicare part D has come in well below the costs projected. That still doesn’t justify the costs, but is a factor to consider when criticizing it.

        And if our health care system is so rotten and terrible, whu do people come here from other nations, some having single payer systems already, for treatment they either can’t get or can’t bear the interminable wait to have?

        Ditto on the research and groundbreaking advances made here. How can that be if we have such a rotten system?

        It sounds very much like you’re advocating for an outcome based system that considers health care to be a fundamental human right. As I’ve asked before, should everyone have a right to a cushy place on the beach like yours, without earning it, just because some feel that housing is a right?

        Should anyone be able to take a job regardless of their education or investment in themselves-so to speak-simply because some feel that the right to work is a fundamental human right?

        Just trying to get at truth.

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          Das Truth
          December 25th, 2009 - 10:17

          FWIW, Medicare part D has come in well below the costs projected. That still doesn’t justify the costs, but is a factor to consider when criticizing it.

          It sort’a does justify the cost, a-hole, and it’s also proof that government programs come in both over and under projections. Nobody should die because they can’t afford the medication their doctor prescribes, you unfailingly hypocritical moron.

          And if our health care system is so rotten and terrible, whu do people come here from other nations, some having single payer systems already, for treatment they either can’t get or can’t bear the interminable wait to have?

          People rarely come here from other wealthy nations for health care. Sounds like you’re the victim of the liars on teh Fux Nutworks. More Americans fly to other countries for an operation versus those coming here from Western single payer nations, by a long shot. They build hospitals in other countries just to cater to the huge mass of Americans who need affordable medical operations. http://www.surgeryplanet.com/

          Ditto on the research and groundbreaking advances made here. How can that be if we have such a rotten system?

          Gosh darn, Gomer, how is it they make just as many if not more groundbreaking advances in Europe if they have such a rotten system? Duuh.

          It sounds very much like you’re advocating for an outcome based system that considers health care to be a fundamental human right. As I’ve asked before, should everyone have a right to a cushy place on the beach like yours, without earning it, just because some feel that housing is a right?

          Of course health care is a right, butthole, and its availability has nothing to do with cushy places on the beach, that’s private property, you intellectual defect.

          Should anyone be able to take a job regardless of their education or investment in themselves-so to speak-simply because some feel that the right to work is a fundamental human right?

          Just trying to get at truth.

          You’re unforgivably inane. Here and elsewhere financial rewards and the trinkets they afford go to those who have luck or make decisions that pay off. Ever been to Muskoka, Canada? No, well there you’ll find the summer villas of Canada’s rich and famous, and yet somehow they have a health care system that covers all Canadian citizens, and almost 90% of Canadians think their system is better than ours, so much for your flag-pin fantasy bullshit.

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          Dan Collins
          December 25th, 2009 - 10:39

          You know, we’ve been through this before. It’s really not that I’m against the stated aims of health care reform, and I don’t believe that Matt or Bob or Meep or anyone else here is, either. It’s just that there are a lot of reasons that I believe that it’s not going to work as they say it shall. I’ll say it again: if they thought this health care were good, they’d opt into it. Why don’t they? Probably for the same reason that Al Gore builds multimillion dollar homes on coastal properties.

          If they don’t believe it’s good enough, why should I?

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          Das Truth
          December 25th, 2009 - 15:04

          So the thing to do is nothing. Since you’re frozen in doubt and/or fear we should simply watch our system crumble?

          I agree that in changing or reforming our system there may be some phenomenal mistakes, but to do nothing?

          Sadly, less of the reason GM went under was from bad management or overpaying workers – brace yourself airhead bobble Bob – it was because of the crushing health care costs for GM’s retirees. The company’s profits were shifted from the company’s working capital and its share holders to teh jeeenyus health care highjackers known as the insurance industry.

          Game over insurance lackeys, we’re gonna put a stop to your wittle three card monty game. With a baseball bat if we have to. To the street! To the Finland Station!

          Any American with any brain power can figure out how insurance works, and those corrupt clowns are rotten down to their foam hands.

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    Bob Reed
    December 24th, 2009 - 23:09

    Yeah, everything Dan said, but with a couple of added points:

    1) Folks that are poor, low and lower middle class, that can’t afford provate insurance in many cases already qualify for medicaid. So that argument is a red herring. And speaking of red herrings, there are many states that have pre-existing condition insurance pools, just like they have high risk auto insurance pools; for situations where the commercial vendors will not provide coverage. So if that doesn’t apply to the state you’re in, then move to one where it does.

    2) Why does the government need to mandate the structure of what will be considered an “acceptable” should the Reid bill become law; plans that differ only in payment size vs copayment.

    3) And, why didn’t they instead allow insurance companies to work across state lines, as they do banks and credit card companies; a move that would foster real free market competition for maximizing delivered services for the minimum cost structure. I mean, in doing so they could have required a separate special pre-existing-condition pool, like many states have already.

    4) Why isn’t tort reform being considered. Notwithstanding the doctor’s cost for malpractice insurance, conservative estimates of yearly savings due to tort reform at a 60 billion dollar, and some say that figure should be closer to 100 billion dollars annually.

    I’ll stop there because you won’t answer for some time anyway. Only, in closing I’ll just say that if the Obamacrats had been willing to entertain Rethuglikan reform ideas from the beginning, instead of repeating, “We Won, now get out of our way!”, then this bill might have been crafted in a more bipartisan and free market oriented way.

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      Das Truth
      December 24th, 2009 - 23:46

      1. Fuck you. You lie.

      2. Fuck you. It’s called regulation, dumbass.

      3. Fuck you. You wouldn’t know what the free market was if it was fucking your cat, you gov’t dependent welfare queen.

      4. Fuck you. You’ve already been told.

      Fuck you, Waterloo boi.

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        Bob Reed
        December 25th, 2009 - 00:07

        And a Merry Christmas to you too.

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          Das Truth
          December 25th, 2009 - 00:13

          Why don’t you read what you wrote and sleep on it.

          You think my Mom or Coach M should’a been made to shuffle and jive so as to see a doctor, hey you’re the healthy one, what are these sick people doing standing in my way for my check-up! What kind of a-hole says stuff like that. Ya think people did something to deserve cancer? Ya think it can’t happen to you? You probably do, jeeeenyus.

          You’re sick.

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          Bob Reed
          December 25th, 2009 - 00:29

          I suggest you do the same.

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          Das Truth
          December 25th, 2009 - 09:34

          Which states do you think should be designated as your future pre-existing-condition leper colonies, Bob?

          No really, name these states. Name the states you propose the non-coverable (the death paneled!) should caravan themselves to so that they’re not in your way, you legend of gubomint funded means, hero of capitalism, brave man of bigotry, Chief Loafing Wolf.

          Merry Xmas, BTW. Hahaha.

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        Enoch_Root
        December 25th, 2009 - 07:51

        Tohr – You have now made it completely onto my “people who are invincibly ignorant” list.

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          Das Truth
          December 25th, 2009 - 09:22

          You’ve made it on my list of persons who stand tall as a monument to unspeakable ignorance and as well onto my list of people who I wish a merry xmas.

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      Das Truth
      December 25th, 2009 - 00:07

      What we ought to do is strip Bob Reed of his welfare and his health insurance and then inject him with nasty strain of an incurable virus and advise him to move, shake and jive to a state where he might be able to get into a high-risk pool, if he can afford it, that is.

      What a dick you are. Why did it have to be Teddy and not you. God has a bad sense of humor, that’s all there is to it.

      Anyone can simply call themselves a Christian, free speech is protected.

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    SDN
    December 25th, 2009 - 19:25

    Christ told us, “By their fruits shall ye know them.” And thor is known to all here as a lying asshole every time he opens his fat yap.

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