The Recent Unpleasantness (and happyfeet)
TimB recently visited comments to once again chide me for linking up Stacy McCain. He and others probably also induced Patterico, whom I respect, to question whether Stacy is a racist based on a statement that people naturally feel revolted by miscegenation. [But see Stacy for the context]
Jeff has a cogent analysis of the dialogical dynamics here, and revisits the linguistic issues here. Attila and Mike also weigh in on Stacy's side.
Do I think that Stacy McCain is a racist? No, I don't. I completely disagree with his unfortunate assertion that it is natural to be revolted by what is unalike, because that confuses the whole issue of cultural conditioning, which is otherwise central to the whole argument that Stacy is making in the piece from which the comment is extracted.
And it's disappointing to see people playing capture the flag with one another's integrity, yet again. I don't particularly want to be a part of it, but as Stacy says, he's compelled to join battle, because if one does not refute the charge of racism, one assents to the slaughter of one's reputation in the public sphere. It is a death sentence (think about that expression) in the world of ideas. It's also necessary that I write about it, because I know a little of the back story.
I have no personal animosity toward TimB. We've been generally civil to one another. But he's been here warning me that I really don't want to be contaminated by association with him. I believe that TimB sincerely believes that Stacy is a racist, based on the materials that he's read, and based on the conversations that he's been having over at Charles Johnson's House of Dementia and elsewhere. It's also clear--because Tim himself makes it clear in a comment at Patterico's--that he's been trying to rally support for a purge of Stacy for some time. Whether he recognizes this or not, this is concern trolling.
There's another actor in this drama, a blogger of liberal sympathies, who's been working behind the scenes and with whom I've been in contact. I know this person from his having once also been a commenter at Protein Wisdom. In his communications, he's also expressed his (undoubtedly sincere) belief that Stacy is a racist, pointing to this post, and suggesting to me that (because we all like to think of ourselves as particularly scrupulous) I really ought to say something about it. I responded that I thought that the statement about a natural revulsion was absolutely wrong. So, I emailed Stacy who was then in Clay County Kentucky and said, I know you're busy, but you really should respond to this stuff because it's not going to go away. And it didn't, obviously, though I imagine that the debate might have played out the same way, whether or not Stacy had taken my advice.
I'm not going to out the other blogger, nor am I going to entertain any speculation. I just want you to understand that this has been orchestrated for some time.
Jeff says, quite sensibly, that one could argue based on the evidence of the "death sentence" that at one time many years ago, Stacy McCain was a racist, or had racist sympathies, or what you will, but what is the use of that? Since he's been blogging at The Other McCain, he hasn't emitted a single utterance that I myself would consider to be racist. I certainly don't want to be caught up in any kind of purge on behalf of Charles Johnson supporters. CJ has managed to conduct so many purges that he now occupies an infinitesimal portion of an enormously overlaid Venn diagram--way, way over there. He's certainly welcome to his merry little band of Branch Chuckidians, and I have no interest in burning down his compound.
I can also understand why Pat finds that particular statement offensive, because I do, exactly in the same way that I find Ebonie Johnson Cooper's statement of earlier this week offensive. Is she a racist, or did she simply express a sentiment that could be construed as racist? I checked out her church online: is Chris Matthews appalled at its apparent lack of diversity, I wonder?
And so this brings me to happyfeet, one of the most brilliant commenters in the whole 'sphere. He's recently expressed dismay with the treatment of Kevin Jennings. And although I've smacked Jennings around some, I wasn't willing to call for his firing based simply on the various accounts of his relation to the student identified as "Brewster" many years ago. In fact, I got The B-Cast to interview Charles Winecoff (whom I adore) who made the argument that you can hardly fault Jennings for not having ratted the kid out and that Harry Hay wasn't included in a textbook that Jennings edited despite his associating with NAMBLA, rather than because of it. I have a great deal of sympathy for kids who are struggling to come to terms with gay sexuality, or who have suffered from prejudice because of their sexual orientation, the kids that happyfeet says seek refuge in the GSA chapter at their school. Where I part ways, though, is when they begin to distribute "fisting kits," to recommend books with explicit sexual scenes in them, or to offer guides to gay bars. I simply don't see how any of those things, particularly the last one, ought to be offered as part of any curriculum.
And I think that hf and I can disagree about this, if indeed he believes that the right, by and large, are conducting a witch hunt against Kevin Jennings due to homophobia, or in order to rally homophobes, or whatever, disguising their hateyness as principle. I'm not going to state categorically that there aren't any, because I'm pretty sure that if I were to spend the time conducting a search, I could come up with a lot of self-described "conservative" blogs where that is the case.
Tim thinks that I was harsh toward him in the comments over at PW to the first of Jeff's posts linked here, and maybe I was, but I really don't like this backbiting, character assassination by innuendo, and guilt by association. So, fuck it. That's all I hope to have to say on this subject.
Via Jeff's latest, Juliette sums it up, nicely.
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I lied. One final word: Kevin Jennings could stop cocooning and do an interview, with someone reasonably tough, to respond to all of this stuff. He should.
When that kid was beaten to death in Chicago with a railroad tie splinter, Obama sent Arne Duncan and Axelrod. I don't know what they did out there. Arne was responsible for those wonderful Chicago schools for a time. But if you're going to have a School Safety Czar (or however you want to term it), then he probably should be out there responding to issues of school safety, instead of hunkering down.
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December 10th, 2009 - 15:14
I sure do hope “James Phelan” is thor.
Nothing is more delicious than watching thor, with his self-styled genius intellect, forced to tether himself to submoronic gashes like timb in order to find a sympathetic ear.
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December 10th, 2009 - 16:33
says the man who has yoked himself to Robert Stacy McCain.
God, you are a tedious little man, Goldstein
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:30
timb —
As everyone everywhere will tell you — irrespective of whether they like me or loathe me — you simply don’t have the aptitude to speak to me.
You’ve made a name for yourself going from site to site calling people racists and agitating for purges.
At least in this venue, that’s what you’ll always been known for, and even then, only by the vanishingly few who will bother to remember you at all.
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December 11th, 2009 - 06:55
I’m surprised you raised your aptitude here, you big bad antifoundationlist. You weren’t even familiar with my MFA-ish citations from Derrida’s Plato’s Pharmacy last we spoke of interpretation.
What the fuck do you actually know of Derrida if you don’t know that text, red cape jokes aside?
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15076#comments
Wear Dennis Prager tight and cute around your hips and ass.
Fuck you. You always allowed persons to use my nick and now I own yours.
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December 11th, 2009 - 06:59
Just when I thought you couldn’t go any lower…
If your too much of a pussy to use your own name, and not hide behind a proxy server, the least you could do is not co-opt other people’s actual names…
How was Jeff supposed to know it wasn’t you, when all the internet supermen hide behing proxies and ever changing names…
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December 11th, 2009 - 08:34
Goldstein, this site exists BECAUSE you are a tedious little man.
Maybe Enoch is nice enough to forget how you treated him, maybe Dan likewise, but I was willing to make my comments to you and at your site until you threw a hissy fit.
Here’s a hint: until you stop being an asshole, people will still accuse you of being of an asshole.
As for racism, [one more time for Bob "I'm too lazy to click a link" Reed] I only accuse the guy who doesn’t opposes miscegenation, the guy who defended slavery and compared Harriett Tubman to Goebbels, the guy who claimed Emmet Till’s death was “overblown” by the Civil Rights movement, and the guy who wrote an article talking about “white, racial suicide” of being a racist. You’re not a racist; you are just willing to defend one because Patterico was mean to you.
It’s funny, because I never knew how much you relied on sycophants. The idea that my ideas are invalid, because a small number of your ass-kissers don’t like it, especially after I read this eloquent “blogging is not about ideas any more. It’s about traffic and pecking order” whining?
Well, let’s add ideas to the list of things no longer about ideas, since they too are contingent on “traffic” and the number of adherents.
So, hypocrisy too. Is there a character flaw you do not have?
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:01
No, Timmah!, your ideas are invalid because you’re an idiot whose grip on reality is tenuous at best. Pity that you’ve yet to figure that out.
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:09
Why do you have to bring my name into this. I’ve never seen any link of which you speak. But I do know that you seem to have an almost pathological obsesion with denigrating Jeff Goldstein wherever you can possibly do so.
I’m aware of your side of this discussion, and in lieu of seeing any credible evidence will probably refrain from damning someone as an evil racist; a card played way too fast and loose in our nation these days.
And, are you planning to prganize a vendetta against this site now too? Since Dan won’t join in your boycott of McCain?
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:16
timb – just a note – I have not forgotten. I have forgiven. And I assure you, knowing Dan as I do, he has done the same. The point for me is that I don’t see the use in engaging someone (anyone) when it becomes clear that we are at impasse. So, when it becomes clear there will be no breakthrough (re: N Korea and the US, Iran and the US, etc), I just avoid as is prudent. When the cost/benefit of tangling antlers is not at all there, I just move on. So, I don’t forget – I try to forgive. Forgetting is for the stupid. Forgiveness is for the Christian. And just so no other cans of worms are opened for me saying so: whether or not one’s “trespassers” want and/or expect it and/or think it at all necessary is to miss the point. Forgiving another is about getting over oneself, you see. And resisting the prideful impulse to not just be seen as right in the eyes of others – but to resist wanting to let everyone else you have been wronged.
Mostly, when I think of the JeffG “excitment”, I am saddened – because it was unnecessary – and it was scandalous, as we say in the Faith. And then when I really listened – not to myself – but really listened, I was shown the proper way for everyone’s sake. Like it or not, PW is Jeff’s place, as this is Dan’s place. And I didn’t really wish to continue to be like an interloper who won’t go home – or at least elsewhere.
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:41
TimB, Jeff hasn’t posted here at all today, judging by the address. His monicker’s been used.
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December 10th, 2009 - 15:21
“James Phelan” is indeed thor.
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December 10th, 2009 - 15:23
And by the way, thanks for the excellent article, Dan.
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December 10th, 2009 - 15:39
““James Phelan†is indeed thor.”
So he hasn’t sought out the professional help I’ve been urging him to get?
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December 11th, 2009 - 06:25
Lazarus, SEAL Team 6 has higher value targets….hell, ragpickers have higher value targets…
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December 10th, 2009 - 15:44
I feel a natural revulsion at someone telling me what I should think about someone else.
I’ve been reading McCain for some time. The man has a body of work which tells me “not a racist” – even if he is an Alabama fan.
“Body of Work” is what matters to me.
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December 10th, 2009 - 16:00
Seems to me Stacy-boi loves the fray, jumps to lash!
http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2009/08/gryphen-files-give-jesse-enough-rope.html
Unless it’s Stacy tied to the whipping post. Frowns all around, a fence post ain’t right, ain’t fair a’tall, from a merciless whip simply ain’t where a proud white Southern gentleman gets his deserved comeuppance!
Such is beyond the South’s hospitable traditions!
Hey, Stacy, on your hands and knees, there’s one more thing you really need.
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December 10th, 2009 - 22:59
People may take you more seriously if you started using your actual name and stopped playing proxy games. MAN UP!, unless, well, you know…
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December 10th, 2009 - 16:00
Ah, so it is thor.
Well then, let me say this. Thor may have gotten lumped in with others posting on my site because he took to using a proxy server used — always — by trolls. And these trolls used a variety of names and email addresses, in addition to the proxy server, to get around bans.
If thor got lumped in with them — that is to say, if I accused him of making comments he didn’t make and stuck to that (I don’t remember doing so, merely pointing out that his comments came from the same IP address) — then I apologize.
On the other hand, you’d think thor would be willing to shoulder some of the responsibility, given his consistent, vile, and puerile attacks on members of the community, which were issued using proxy IPs.
Or not.
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December 10th, 2009 - 16:32
Oddly Das Tohr has been doing the same thing here. That is, seemingly going to painful ends to change his handle, IP, etc. Weird thing is this: Dan has refrained from even threatening to ban him (as far as I know) – so there seems no need to do so.
Nonetheless, he very, very, very rarely says anything that is not vile – and given our history together, I am sure you can appreciate that for me to think of something as “vile” is really quite something.
But I would refer you to this discussion re Trolls: http://powip.com/2009/11/ponderings-on-the-life-and-etiquette-of-trolls/
It really is a fascinating subject.
Good tidings to you and yours.
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:25
Rebooting earns me a new IP. Want to feel my boot? Haha.
Nobody can hijack my name if it’s fresh and new. Hmm?
Mystery solved, eh, tech guy.
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December 11th, 2009 - 06:56
You Lie! It wouldn’t earn you an IP from a proxy service site…
Here’s a novel thought; try the truth for a change. Start with your real name, e-mail, and no proxy ID. Than let’s see how much of an internet tough guy you are…
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:02
HAhaha, well, OK then, your half-apology is half-accepted. Maybe I was confused because I sensed smearing people was the ultimate fashion rage on PW. Maybe too stylish, my festoons! I didn’t know!
“Attacks on members of the community!” Communists believe in community. Were you raised on a kibbutz and the fed community organizing treacheries of Alinsky! Huh?
Who cares if you were is my opinion.
If one can not not know what they’re knowing, the all knowing can not know what?
I know not.
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:03
the fed = fed the
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:03
Better to edit BEFORE you have to re-read what you’ve posted.
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:38
Actually, I wasn’t around much. So when I started removing stuff that needed removing, in my estimation, I did so en masse using IP addresses.
As I say, you must have been sharing a proxy with a number of other folks who wished to avoid singular detection, and at the time, this was all new to me.
Still, it was amazing the similarity is message between all those who shared IP addresses.
Just as I’m amazed at the similarity of message from all those who used to hang out at my site once they leave: I’m all about the money, I don’t countenance dissent, etc., etc. This coming sometimes from people I inadvertently went to war over. Meaning, thor, that I refused to ban you upon Karl’s request, and tried hard to keep you around until your postings became nothing more than vividly rendered and often times pornographic personal attacks on people who were helping me out by keeping the site going.
I even prompted you to post on The Pub, if I remember correctly.
And so it strikes me as in the height of bad taste to suggest, now that you’re gone, that I chose blogging as a money-making endeavor.
I hope to make enough to get by on, sure. But hell, I haven’t run ads in several years, I don’t keep track of my traffic, and everything I’ve received over the last few years has been strictly voluntary.
If you’re all about the market like you claim to be, why the attempt to stain me as a philistine?
The disconnect is often quite astounding.
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December 10th, 2009 - 18:08
You have your tense wrong. It wasn’t post-thor that I began suggesting money-making was a priority.
I always encouraged you to write for the dollar. You should’a sold shares in Outlaw Media to the coalition of the willing. This I suggested. Make ‘em pay with blood and tits, I’m a believer in that racket.
Yes you allowed me to publish in your Pub. But my ball-wagging creates traffic like no other set. Hahaha. Not my fault that you couldn’t stomach the estrogen prostrations.
I’m not bitter. And you’re not a Philistine, you’re fuckin’ paranoid. HAhaa.
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December 11th, 2009 - 06:30
Yeah, you did encourage him to post at the pub…. and hopefully the result will continue to deter you from making THAT mistake again.
As for the multiple IP’s / handles, this poster child for megalomania knows that given any choice people would Trollhammer him into the slime and never see him again… and he’s all about imposing his choices on everyone else. It’s why he swings left.
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December 10th, 2009 - 16:31
“James Phelan says: December 10, 2009 at 4:00 pm”
Yep, crazier than a shithouse rat.
“On the other hand, you’d think thor would be willing to shoulder some of the responsibility,….”
Oh, Jeff, you are funny
That’s why I like your stuff.
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:11
Go lick the lonesomeness off another soldier boy’s jizz-tipped boner, P’brain. It might help heal your longing to belong.
Onward Russkiye soldats marching into war…
Sing it!
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:09
pojalsta , is a nice little term and tell. Used over and over, here, here, here, and here 10th comment down.
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December 10th, 2009 - 17:53
whore boi, you are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to lick the sand from my son’s combat boot.
The term that has been used to describe you, consistantly, on this thread is “vile”.
The definition of “vile”
1. wretchedly bad
2. highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable
3. repulsive or disgusting, as to the senses or feelings
4. morally debased, depraved, or despicable
5. foul; filthy
6. poor; wretched
7. of mean or low condition
8. menial; lowly
9. degraded; ignominious
10. of little value or account
But on the plus side, whore-boi, you’re a ’10′
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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December 10th, 2009 - 22:41
I’m a big happyfeet fan, too. Unfortunately, we probably disagree about the Kevin Jennings matter so I suggest we compromise by blaming Obama: Jennings’ background is too extreme for an appointment as high-profile as ‘Safe Schools Czar,’ and someone in the Obama Administration should have realized that.
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December 11th, 2009 - 06:33
Actually, DRJ, I blame Carter…. who decided that we needed a Federal DOE in the first place. And when the pubic screwels get to a 90% success rate in teaching reading, writing, etc. we can talk about any OTHER mission they might undertake.
Until then, I’ll continue to maintain that putting your kid in their clutches is de facto child abuse.
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December 11th, 2009 - 13:23
thank you DRJ… but it’s not *that* Mr. Jennings’ is being criticized it’s *how.* Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin are very irresponsible and hatey people what help make our little country suck harder than is necessary. What was wrong with the facts in this case… why is so much innuendo and hyperbole required? I don’t get it. Our little country is is being dessicated of prosperity and pride by vampirey dirty socialists and shrieky Michelle and Jim the pasty shut-in are perpetrating a fisting hoax on the American public.
And now Cap’n Ed wants to carry a baton in the hatey parade. If you were to ask me if homey played that way I think it wasn’t long ago when I would have said no, I don’t believe homey plays that way.
Damn if homey don’t play that way.
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December 11th, 2009 - 13:26
oops.. that should have been fisting *kit* hoax…
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December 11th, 2009 - 13:40
You are correct happyfeet,
While I may not agree with Jennings lifestyle choices, or even some of his public policy ideas, this is not a matter to be “witch hunted” when there are so much larger fish to fry…
It’s up to folks like us to ensure that *our* side of political spectrum doesn’t go down this path. It was enough to wonder aloud why they didn’t simply distribute the usual and customaty equipmet in the first place, and allow others to make judgemnts based on the facts.
All I would ask is not to allow all of this to dis-spirit you to the point of withdrawing from the entire debate. Not only is your commentary a delight to read, but in what others may often see as simply ironic turns of the phrase lie the kernals of truth that needs to be part of the debate.
C’mon bro, don’t withdraw into that X-box universe completely on account of some over-the-top zeal. Stay in the game!; becxause that’s the only way that you can really effect the outcome…
Be Cool!
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December 11th, 2009 - 13:55
Bob is a wise man Happy 8^)
I would pay for counsel of that quality.
btw Bob,
How do I navigate to the recent comments here? It is hard to keep up with your mad typing speed without a technological assist.
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December 11th, 2009 - 14:02
howdy, Danger – there’s a recent comments thingy top right, and I just put December 11 in the firefox ctrl +f “find” thinger and next next next to make sure I didn’t miss anything.
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December 11th, 2009 - 14:05
I usually rely on the recent comments side bar. Like at PW, clicking on an entry takes you directly to the comment in question. Admittedly though, on longer and more intense threads it gets tough to keep up…
I suppose the RSS feed-email notification check box-could help out a bit. But I just keep perusing the comments from time-to-time to look for stuff I may have missed before…
I’ve been out of the loop for a week or so though. My 84 year old MIL was ill, and I needed to help her out a bit with Dr appointments, filling the ‘scripts and such, in addition to just keeping an eye on the old gal. Also, being nearly Christmas, the activity at some of our Church outreach missions has been demanding of my time; something I have the luxury of giving. Between preparing and delivering Thansgiving stuff, and preparing the Christmas food and gift deliveries to those folks is a committmemt-one I’m happy to make.
And all that doesn’t take into account getting stuff for my large family and all of the social obligations the holiday season on Long Island present!
So long story short, I just slug through the threads when catching up, or when it’s a rhetorical furball. Other than that, I click on the sidebar.
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December 11th, 2009 - 14:00
thank you, Bob… tremendously, really – and I’ll be back… I shouldn’t blog angry though… I snapped at Darleen something awful.
I’m sort of … incensed at the hypocrisy of decrying the manifest hate campaign against Sarah Palin while Team R is inventing “fisting kits.”
I don’t get why we can’t just tell the Kevster hey we have our eye on you… the comments at Gateway’s site are really not America, and I would just have to ask Mr. Hoft and his First Things pals… if this isn’t a hate campaign, what would one look like do you suppose?
I’ll get over it and the day will come when I will say…
Let us not speak of this again.
That’s exactly how I’ll say it too. I’ve been practicing.
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December 11th, 2009 - 14:16
That’s cool. And I’m sure Darleen understands that it’s something you feel strongly about, the hypocrisy you’re speaking to.
Besides, with all of the stuff going on no one needs to be manufacturing Outrage!; if you want a piece of some there’s plenty to go around.
Unfortunately, some people are trying to ride the discontent with Mr. Obama’s policies for their own personal benefit; when they should be putting the needs of the nation first-ahead of any partisan politicking or party posturing. Me? I try to make sure that it’s the policies I oppose and not the person; I can’t stand the making the political, personal, kind of stuff.
I aso appreciate your outlook. Esecially the way you speak against the “hatey parade” against Palin, regardless of the personal opinion you hold of her ability to effectively govern. That speaks volumes about your character…
By the way, what do you play on the ol’ X-box. You know I’ve never even used one? I’ve seen my nephew’s though, and it looks like you’re watching a movie!
Me, I play boring ass war strategy games; a shockah! I know :)
They aren’t much to look at visually. But I also enjoy Madden Football very much; I use my computer to play that stuff.
I’m glad to hear that, like Mac Arthur, you shall return. And I’ll agree to never speak of this again after this thread, like time, passes…
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December 11th, 2009 - 14:17
Thanks for the tip , it looks like the recent comments section is a little more functional than Jeff’s but there are still not enough entries available for busy nights with multiple threads active. (hint, hint Dan)
Feets,
one of these days I will install firefox to take advantage of some of the functions you mentioned.
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December 11th, 2009 - 14:40
The Xbox isn’t actually hooked up since I don’t have a tv anymore. But after I move next spring I’ll probably get a tv again, maybe… Gaming is something I need to do more of… the X-box LIVE platform is the future I think. Here’s a fun one I played before Thanksgiving instead of analyzing canned fruit purchasing behaviors. It’s very satisfying somehow.
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December 11th, 2009 - 15:05
G’night Bob,
Gnight Feets,
Great talking to both of ya!
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December 12th, 2009 - 10:53
Which ones do you recommend/like. I used to do board wargaming many years ago. Haven’t paid much attention to the vid-games since my son grew-up and left the house. Most things I see are shoot-em-up types and my reflexes aren’t what the used to be so I take a pass.
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December 11th, 2009 - 08:43
Dan/Enoch, that the boil on the ass of your blog fancies itself some sort of shapeshifter is one thing. That it insists on assuming another’s identity, particularly on a post concerning said person, is deeply unkosher and ought to be rectified.
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:00
I agree. It is despicable. But it is up to Dan as to what to do about it.
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:13
I’ve taken him to task over that several times in this comment thread. If he wants to make up cutsie pie names that he believes enhances his edginess, well, whatever…
But assuming the name of a living person, especially one that-as Pablo noted-is active on this same thread, is crossing a boundary of sorts.
I SAY BURN THE WITCH!
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:55
I say, GO FUCK OFF, Vomit BOB, wittle space cowboy.
You didn’t seem to have a problem when my nick was being used over on PW, did ya, huh, hippoKKKrit!
Here’s something that’s sure to make you york chowder.
Her Mom’s white and her Dad’s black, or maybe her Dad’s white and her Mom’s black – Heave Your Tummy Chunks At Her!
In Texas, Austin City Limits, no less, uhhhhhgaaaaruhblaaaaaych! twotwo, blaaaaaeeech!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M34iZH4-qkI
Puke up, doggie!
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:57
Ooops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSQ8QCeM-A&feature=related
Hahaha.
You Siamese dicks, shut up.
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:44
As a matter of fact I did have a problem with someone masquerading as you at PW; as I would with anybody.
And why would I of all people have a problem with interracial marriage; it’s in my effin’ background, jeen-yutz!
Maybe you’re just projecting again…
Just like with the “hick-tard” schwaggery…
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December 11th, 2009 - 09:56
TimB, errr, Pablo, perfecting the right wing since 12/09.
How ever can we thank you, Timmah, errrr Pablo!?
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:08
Well, you could start with saying something that makes sense, Timmah! Funny would be a bonus.
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:27
Yeah, I was quoting you, so I can see how you couldn’t understand.
See, p, there’s irony in accusing me of perfecting the right wing (if only) and then making demands to silence a commenter here. Now, it’s an irony too complex for a blinkered, partisan sycophant of a fool to understand, but, it was funny to me and, since that’s what I INTENDED, then I think it did the job.
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:54
No, you were trying to riff on my comment and made hash of it.
And I did that where, Timmah!? This would be where you provide a quote.
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:05
Johnny Rotten rawks!
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:09
Dan, I was responding to his last missive at 5:30 on 12/10. He is the bee’s knees that one…
Enoch–
I’m glad you found a way to be pleasant to a bore.
Bob –
I have posted it before. For God’s sake, go read http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-robert-stacy-mccain-neo.html
There, you can find links to the article he wrote about how white people should have more kids so we can avert “white racial suicide.” You can read his defense of slavery. You can read all about wonderful things he wrote. Here’s a quote from macgruder, a nice right wing journalist who would be sorely pissed at me for quoting him: “RSM, a bright and talented man, has very, very clearly written stuff that is damn well hard to defend. In journalism in DC, he was known as a parody of far right memes, and a guy whose views on race were far away from the norms of even the Wash. Times Op-Ed set.” He wrote that PW, before Jeff picked up the cross and Pablo and others, as usual, once more followed him into the breach.
You don’t want to be mentioned by name? Then, don’t write like the retarded basketball trainer, cum insurance salesman, eg “Go peddle you phony accusations of RAAAAAAACISM! somewhere they wanna hear it. ” They are not phony, even for a man who thinks “Blackie-O” is funny.
Dan –
Lastly, as I mentioned before certain other visitors came to whine about the “unfairness of everything,” I respect that you investigated this. We will agree to disagree.
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:50
Basketball trainer-cum-wannabe insurance salesman..?
What in the world does that mean?
I’ll read your link later today when I have more time to spare; at first glance it looked long and I want to give it a fair going over.
And in fairness, do you have a problem with black separatists, like Farrakhan and Wright to name a couple? Fellows who also like to toss about the race card indiscriminately…
Do you plan to stage full scale internet vendettas against them too?
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December 11th, 2009 - 11:54
Of course, Bob, although I don’t Wright is a sepatrist. Most of the quotes which make Sean Hannity angry from Wright are defensible, EXCEPT the CIA introducing crack thing, which is just nuts.
But, then again, I don’t go around attacking former Marines just because they sound like Chomsky and Howard Zinn.
But, Farrakkan is nothing but a pox on America.
Oh, and Bob, when you go read his writings, please remember this supposed historian makes light of Emmet Till’s murder, when he knows damn good and well that the crystallizing factor in the Till case was 67 minute acquittal of redneck murderers by a white jury.
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December 11th, 2009 - 12:01
Quote? Link? C’mon, scrub with me, Timmah! For the good of the party
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December 11th, 2009 - 12:40
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_07_27_archive.html#3755173238238515614
I just perused Attila’s place. Could you embarrass yourself more? It’s just disgusting the lengths you will go to live inside Jeff’s ass.
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December 11th, 2009 - 13:17
Where’s the “making light” of Till’s death, Timmah!? Is it “I am not justifying anything.” or “He was kidnapped and murdered…” or “Was Emmett Till wrongly murdered? Of course. or “The horrific nature of Emmett Till’s death — kidnapped at gunpoint from his relative’s home in the dark of night, tortured and murdered…” or is there something else I missed? You’re going to have to help me out on this one. I’m missing the lulz.
Is that jealousy I detect? Don’t fret, Timmah! My relationship with Jeff is purely platonic, and we’re not even all that close. The stalking may yet pay off for you. KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!
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December 11th, 2009 - 21:06
I guess Timmah! is busy.
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December 14th, 2009 - 09:43
Rather, the point is to say that the meaning of Till’s death has been distorted by propagandists who wish to use Emmett Till as a symbol of civil rights. I am saying that the facts of the case simply do not support that interpretation. While the acquittal of Till’s killers said something about the unfairness of the criminal justice system in Mississippi, Till’s death itself did not exemplify the values which some have attributed to it.
“WHILE, the acquittal”???? WHILE
The acquittal only revealed to the rest of the country the monstrous nature of justice in the South at the time and galvanized a movement to reform it.
See, here’s the difference between me and you, pablo (besides me not being a sycophantic asshole to a sociopath). You think everything is an argument, when this is a fact. The man wrote multiple freeper posts claiming the incident which galvanized a movement and shocked the conscience of the country was “distorted by propagandists”! For God’s sake, you wouldn’t have been to read such an interpretation then or now unless you were a member of the CCC or KKK.
The facts are simple: Till oogled a white woman. Her relatives tracked him down, killed him and mutilated the body. An all-white jury acquitted the murderers in 67 minutes (lamenting it would have been quicker, but they stopped deliberating to drink soda pop). The nation was shocked.
How is that a distortion? Why are you so literal? Why can’t you ever decry racism? Why do you hang with such an angry white guy who alternates crying and threatening? Do you believe the Civil Rights movement was “propagandist”? And, what, Pablo, since you are a genius of intent, does one suppose Stacy, that good Southern gentlemen, meant when he said the acquittal said “something.”
Clearly, it said something different to nation as a whole, then it said to the guy who reads Steffen (a member of the CCC) and worships John C. Calhoun and other traitors to the nation.
‘Cause Pablo, if you want to own Stacy McCain, then fucking own him and stop pussyfooting around.
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December 11th, 2009 - 11:54
forgot, the basketball thing is about some other guy…..
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December 11th, 2009 - 10:22
Holy Trinity River, it’s the Pistols live in Dallas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5azestHEYIg&feature=related
“OK all you cowboys, this is our last number, you faggots!”
Hahahaha. The Sex Pistols playe the Longhorn Ballroom. You got to give it to ‘em, they fisted the Bible Belt back in the day.
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December 11th, 2009 - 13:18
“Most of the quotes which make Sean Hannity angry from Wright are defensible,”
So it’s just a case of whose oxen is gored.
Gotcha.
Pretty racist from where I sit.
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December 11th, 2009 - 17:26
So it’s just a case of whose oxen is gored.
Indeed. “God damn America” is perfectly defensible from a liberal troll’s point of view, as is “White folks greed runs a world in need.”
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December 12th, 2009 - 05:51
Personally, I Goddamn Lubbock, Texas!
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December 14th, 2009 - 09:24
Well, you’re a moron, I don’t doubt that’s true.
But, perhaps you’d like to compare the actual sermon, which on how God judges nations for their sins, and notes the foreign policy “crimes” (albeit from a Chomsky-ite perspective) of America. From there he uses the Old Testament to note God will judge America and God will damn America. I don’t agree with him, but I also can’t believe so many smart people (Mike excluded…he just ain’t smart) can’t listen to what Wright INTENDED to say and not want the RNC and Sean Hannity wanted you to believe.
Ah, intentionalism….good enough for a racist like RSM but not good enough for a Marine veteran and preacher. Guess that gives new meaning to oxes and goring.
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December 14th, 2009 - 10:24
timb,
I’ll grant you the explanation for his “God Damn AmeriKKKa” exhortation, but there is no plausible excuse for the “White man’s greed runs a world in need” comment nor for his assertions that AIDS was a construct of the US government intended as a plague specifically to black folks…
Jerimiah Wright is as racist as any that would have fingers pointed at them. And “Liberation Theology” is a thinly veiled guise for Marxism, one that attemots to use religious underpinnings to justify it’s advocay.
Wright is a minority exceptionalist, and while that outlook may be rhetorically excused as a response to years of oppression, it is as out of sync with American societal philosopy as was the institution of slavery…
With all due respect.
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December 17th, 2009 - 10:38
Accepted as offered. We’ll agree to disagree, but, as I noted, I disagree with any ethnic separatists, Bob, no matter what color they are.
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December 14th, 2009 - 21:43
I thought I liked this place, ’til today. Apparently this whole thread exists in the imagination of one person calling itself Ann R/Timb/JeffG/ Thor/ Who the hell knows. Can’t make heads or tails of of this and don’t know why Dan puts up with it. This place is such a mess it’s a waste of time. Is this blog not worth the effort to prevent a vandal from ruining it?
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December 14th, 2009 - 22:46
Greetings Neshobanakni,
Forgove this mess, but it degenerated in a real “furball” as we used to say at Navair. A couple of the folks are involved in the subject of this thread, a running argument that has been going on for the last few days. For my part, I couldn’t hold my tongie either, and tried to argue back, but as I said it got out of hand…
Two of the identities you mentioned are the same person, who also stole JeffG’s name as well for part of this comment thread.
I regret losing my composure, and your difficulty in reading this thread.
All the best
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February 2nd, 2010 - 19:17
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