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10Dec/09147

The Recent Unpleasantness (and happyfeet)

TimB recently visited comments to once again chide me for linking up Stacy McCain. He and others probably also induced Patterico, whom I respect, to question whether Stacy is a racist based on a statement that people naturally feel revolted by miscegenation. [But see Stacy for the context]

Jeff has a cogent analysis of the dialogical dynamics here, and revisits the linguistic issues here. Attila and Mike also weigh in on Stacy's side.

Do I think that Stacy McCain is a racist? No, I don't. I completely disagree with his unfortunate assertion that it is natural to be revolted by what is unalike, because that confuses the whole issue of cultural conditioning, which is otherwise central to the whole argument that Stacy is making in the piece from which the comment is extracted.

And it's disappointing to see people playing capture the flag with one another's integrity, yet again. I don't particularly want to be a part of it, but as Stacy says, he's compelled to join battle, because if one does not refute the charge of racism, one assents to the slaughter of one's reputation in the public sphere. It is a death sentence (think about that expression) in the world of ideas. It's also necessary that I write about it, because I know a little of the back story.

I have no personal animosity toward TimB. We've been generally civil to one another. But he's been here warning me that I really don't want to be contaminated by association with him. I believe that TimB sincerely believes that Stacy is a racist, based on the materials that he's read, and based on the conversations that he's been having over at Charles Johnson's House of Dementia and elsewhere. It's also clear--because Tim himself makes it clear in a comment at Patterico's--that he's been trying to rally support for a purge of Stacy for some time. Whether he recognizes this or not, this is concern trolling.

There's another actor in this drama, a blogger of liberal sympathies, who's been working behind the scenes and with whom I've been in contact. I know this person from his having once also been a commenter at Protein Wisdom. In his communications, he's also expressed his (undoubtedly sincere) belief that Stacy is a racist, pointing to this post, and suggesting to me that (because we all like to think of ourselves as particularly scrupulous) I really ought to say something about it. I responded that I thought that the statement about a natural revulsion was absolutely wrong. So, I emailed Stacy who was then in Clay County Kentucky and said, I know you're busy, but you really should respond to this stuff because it's not going to go away. And it didn't, obviously, though I imagine that the debate might have played out the same way, whether or not Stacy had taken my advice.

I'm not going to out the other blogger, nor am I going to entertain any speculation. I just want you to understand that this has been orchestrated for some time.

Jeff says, quite sensibly, that one could argue based on the evidence of the "death sentence" that at one time many years ago, Stacy McCain was a racist, or had racist sympathies, or what you will, but what is the use of that? Since he's been blogging at The Other McCain, he hasn't emitted a single utterance that I myself would consider to be racist. I certainly don't want to be caught up in any kind of purge on behalf of Charles Johnson supporters. CJ has managed to conduct so many purges that he now occupies an infinitesimal portion of an enormously overlaid Venn diagram--way, way over there. He's certainly welcome to his merry little band of Branch Chuckidians, and I have no interest in burning down his compound.

I can also understand why Pat finds that particular statement offensive, because I do, exactly in the same way that I find Ebonie Johnson Cooper's statement of earlier this week offensive. Is she a racist, or did she simply express a sentiment that could be construed as racist? I checked out her church online: is Chris Matthews appalled at its apparent lack of diversity, I wonder?

And so this brings me to happyfeet, one of the most brilliant commenters in the whole 'sphere. He's recently expressed dismay with the treatment of Kevin Jennings. And although I've smacked Jennings around some, I wasn't willing to call for his firing based simply on the various accounts of his relation to the student identified as "Brewster" many years ago. In fact, I got The B-Cast to interview Charles Winecoff (whom I adore) who made the argument that you can hardly fault Jennings for not having ratted the kid out and that Harry Hay wasn't included in a textbook that Jennings edited despite his associating with NAMBLA, rather than because of it. I have a great deal of sympathy for kids who are struggling to come to terms with gay sexuality, or who have suffered from prejudice because of their sexual orientation, the kids that happyfeet says seek refuge in the GSA chapter at their school. Where I part ways, though, is when they begin to distribute "fisting kits," to recommend books with explicit sexual scenes in them, or to offer guides to gay bars. I simply don't see how any of those things, particularly the last one, ought to be offered as part of any curriculum.

And I think that hf and I can disagree about this, if indeed he believes that the right, by and large, are conducting a witch hunt against Kevin Jennings due to homophobia, or in order to rally homophobes, or whatever, disguising their hateyness as principle. I'm not going to state categorically that there aren't any, because I'm pretty sure that if I were to spend the time conducting a search, I could come up with a lot of self-described "conservative" blogs where that is the case.

Tim thinks that I was harsh toward him in the comments over at PW to the first of Jeff's posts linked here, and maybe I was, but I really don't like this backbiting, character assassination by innuendo, and guilt by association. So, fuck it. That's all I hope to have to say on this subject.

Via Jeff's latest, Juliette sums it up, nicely.

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I lied. One final word: Kevin Jennings could stop cocooning and do an interview, with someone reasonably tough, to respond to all of this stuff. He should.

When that kid was beaten to death in Chicago with a railroad tie splinter, Obama sent Arne Duncan and Axelrod. I don't know what they did out there. Arne was responsible for those wonderful Chicago schools for a time. But if you're going to have a School Safety Czar (or however you want to term it), then he probably should be out there responding to issues of school safety, instead of hunkering down.

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  1. happyfeet
    December 10th, 2009 - 10:02

    The “fisting kit” hoax I think is a clue, Dan. This is a hate campaign. Simple as that. Kevin Jennings is a good guy that cares about kids, and there’s nothing to suggest that that’s not the case. Years-old problems wingnuts have with GLSEN are being used simply to prosecute a petty political game.

    Hatey Michelle Malkin is a cable news whore whore whore what sees a juicy hate campaign and figures she can get a new car out of it. Fox News is very low rent to have that hateful skank on their airwaves i think.

    There is no part of this that could not have been handled with civility and in a way that was not designed to incite hate.

    “Fisting kits.”

    Good God.

    Anyway I just wanted to say hi I saw your comment. I am taking a break from the hatey hatey Internet. You people are gonna get people hurt.

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    • Ann R Kissed
      December 12th, 2009 - 06:00

      I feel a Top Ten list of reasons happyfeet left the hatey Right Wing coming on.

      Do it happyf!

      The darkside is where the hot hippie chicks are, plus we have a ska/funk/reggae band playing and nobody has to drink grape flavored Aide to get into our parties, not to mention the pharmaceutical grade cannabis that’s freely passed around.

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  2. Dan Collins
    December 10th, 2009 - 10:10

    And I would say that if you don’t want to attract hate and indignation, you probably shouldn’t be handing out guides to bars of any sort to high schoolers. Fistgate seems to have been gestating since 2001, which is a nifty trick for a manufactured scandal.

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  3. Pablo
    December 10th, 2009 - 10:13

    Kevin Jennings is a good guy that cares about kids, and there’s nothing to suggest that that’s not the case.

    I’m sure that caring about kids part is right, ‘feets. Thing is, his judgment is as horrific as the advice he has a long history of offering.

    Sure, dental dam! Not fisting. Yay.

    If you teach my teenage daughter how to “responsibly” toss some guy’s salad, our next encounter is not going to go very badly for you. That’s my little rule, and it would equally apply regarding my teenage son if I had one.

    What I definitely wouldn’t do is put you in charge of keeping my kids safe, mostly because one key component of MY keeping my kids safe would be to ensure that they aren’t taking your advice.

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  4. Pablo
    December 10th, 2009 - 10:14

    Whoops. That “not” shouldn’t be in there. An asskicking would.

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  5. happyfeet
    December 10th, 2009 - 10:18

    I forgot to say thank you for the brilliant part. Thank you.

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  6. Little Miss Attila / Joy McCann
    December 10th, 2009 - 10:40

    Feet–do you have any sources on the allegation that the fisting kit was a hoax?

    I’ve been having a hell of a time getting information on Jennings that isn’t either from a hard left or a hard right perspective. That’s why I haven’t blogged on him.

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  7. Christopher Taylor
    December 10th, 2009 - 10:48

    I don’t know as McCain is a racist or not, but I think he’s a Moonie.

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  8. JeffG
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:09

    The answer is SEK.

    You’re welcome.

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  9. Enoch_Root
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:09

    Papa Collins once said to me, “lots of people say you can best judge a person by who their friends are. But I would suggest you can judge a person better based on who their enemies are.”

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  10. Pablo
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:11

    Feet–do you have any sources on the allegation that the fisting kit was a hoax?

    Joy, the “fisting kit” pictured contains instructions on how to make the enclosed glove into a dental dam. Which would not involve a fist jammed up one’s ass. What sort of assplay it would involve may be best left to your imagination.

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    • acg
      December 10th, 2009 - 15:37

      Joy,

      It’s a tool for safe sex. Teens, gay and straight, engage in various sexual activities and thus many people find it uncontroversial for them to get materials and knowledge about doing these safely.

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      • Little Miss Attila / Joy McCann
        December 10th, 2009 - 16:40

        So if I’m reading this right, the supposed “hoax” aspect has to do with right-wingers calling it a “fisting kit,” when in fact it was supposedly a dental dam kit?

        But then do not understand why, if oral sex were the intention, they wouldn’t simply distribute non-spermicidal condoms and *actual* dental dams?

        I mean, I get that teenagers have sex. I was actually a teenager myself once–about 500 years ago. But what I’m saying is that I am having trouble finding out, from unbiased sources, what *actually happened* with this group: It’s like seeing through a glass darkly, since everything seems to be filtered through a lens of near hysteria on either side. (e.g., what were the alleged ties to NAMBLA? How was this reading list handled?–was it simply available to kids who asked for the material? Or was it offered? Were there warnings about middle-aged predators, or was it more like, “anything goes”?)

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        • acg
          December 10th, 2009 - 21:29

          “But then do not understand why, if oral sex were the intention, they wouldn’t simply distribute non-spermicidal condoms and *actual* dental dams?”

          Because it is an educational tool, the purpose of which is to teach how to make a dental dam. It’s not really a “kit” and it’s not really about “fisting.” That’s the hoax.

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  11. carin
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:31

    To be honestly, I’d never even heard of the fisting kits think until I read that it was a hoax.

    Not a “broad” hoax if someone of pretty heavy internet reading has never heard of it.

    I suppose the Jennings thing just didn’t make much traction with me. I heard about the books, but when I looked at the website it didn’t appear that they were pushing these books on unsuspecting kids, etc.

    Inappropriate? Yes. But, it was a booklist, not a curriculum.

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  12. baxtrice
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:38

    I knew there was something behind this attempt to drag RSM in the mud over a 13 year old quote. Now the question is what does Patterico have to gain by joining the chorus? We know why Chucky J did it. Is Patterico thinking of pulling the same?

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; it’s vile that Patterico decided to “out” RSM this way. A phone call or an email asking him to explain would have been better. It makes Patterico look no better than scum.

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    • Dan Collins
      December 10th, 2009 - 11:45

      In retrospect, Pat probably believes that that’s the case, baxtrice, but I think that when he wrote he was convinced that it was important to demonstrate that a right-blogger would apply the same kind of scrutiny to the comments of one of their own that they would to someone who disagreed with them. So, let’s not impose a vicious intention on Patterico, either.

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      • baxtrice
        December 10th, 2009 - 11:56

        When you put it that way Dan, this seems more of a demonstration of Patterico trying to prove something to others – instead of really getting down to the facts of the situation. And if what you are musing in your comment is true, then Pat truly is following the path set by Chucky J. It wasn’t long ago that Chucky was calling out other right-bloggers because he didn’t agree with what they were saying. History is there for a reason, even recent history – we must learn from it or suffer the same consequences.

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      • Danger
        December 11th, 2009 - 13:12

        Dan,

        I wrote this over at Jeff’s but it seems appropriate here.

        “IRT the Frey/McCain battle, the scripture “Judge ye not lest ye be judged” comes to mind. The scripture was not a commandment against making judgements it was guidance to be careful about the standard we apply in making a judgement about someone.

        It matters of determining the intention of a statement it is best to apply a charitable interpretation, especially if you do not have all of the information (context, history, etc) available to make a reasonably certain decision about the statement.

        Pat could have e-mailed RSM privately and shared his concerns about the statement thus allowing him to explain his intention but he decided to make it into a big public debate. Am I to apply a charitable interpretation of his intentions(i.e. sincere discussion of racial issues)or should I apply the same level (or lack) of charity he gave RSM, which might lead me to conclude that he wanted the benefit of a big blowout which resulted in lots of attention and hits at his site.”

        It has a few run-on sentences but I’m suffering a head cold right now.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 11th, 2009 - 13:32

          Well said Danger,
          I can appreciate your outlook here.

          A lso saw your comment on the other thread, and am trying to determine what course of action I should take.

          I hope your cold passes quickly, especially before you meet the family in Bavaria :)

          All the best

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        • Danger
          December 11th, 2009 - 13:41

          Thanks Bob,

          I also noted down thread that thor has stooped to sock-puppeting JeffG.

          I guess I will be next. Heck for all I know it already has happened.

          Dan,
          perhaps you should consider going to a commenter registration requirement. Your site has an anchor holding it back.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 11th, 2009 - 13:49

          I think he went through 3 or 4 different identities yesterday! And there’s a bit of resentment over being spurned in play also…

          At the bottom of the thread he’s linking to the Sex Pistols! I wonder if the 80′s are back?

          I have to admit that he got me going over some comments besmirching the Navy, and others along that line. In my anger I may have returned fire, so to speak, in a way that was not exactly gentlemanly; I need to take a deep breath sometimes and remember to argue, without being argumentative-and to disagree without being disagreeable…

          I need to stay away from the dark side…

          Wait…Was that a racist comment?!?

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        • Ann R Kissed
          December 12th, 2009 - 05:38

          Patterico owes no such courtesy to RSM, who, by the way, has never asked others to explain their intentionalist-intent before blasting away at them.

          Eff Negro-hating RSM and fuck that silly ass intentionalist bullshit as well.

          Intentionalism as practiced by Ghoster Goldstein and his shit fly swarm is simply the necessary theoretical excuse needed so that when you say something you can turn around and deny its what you said all in a effort to never suffer the consequences of one’s words. It’s the hokey doke! The rip tide backstroke! The forked tongue side step!

          HAhahaha.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 12th, 2009 - 11:44

          You used the word Negro, without the prerequisite blackness being confirmed…o

          RAAAAAAAACIST!

          See how easy that is to sling around? My point, bwah…

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        • Ann R Kissed
          December 12th, 2009 - 12:09

          No.

          I don’t care that the KKK rode at night and denied their identities in the light of day. They, like you, thought/think denialism oh-so cute. Cute changes nothing.

          You got punked off SEK’s board same as I punk ya here and for the same damn reason. Cry, squirm, sally forth and gush, it matters not. Your bull turd don’t fly, son.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 12th, 2009 - 23:55

          You Lie!

          Ha! I get “punked” off no boards, bwah…

          I get punked in NO way in life; I live a blessed existence, sharing the graces I’ve been given with others-the way it’s supposed to be…

          Did you ever notice that no one even responds to your comments at SEK’s? That, even amongst those you believe to be your ideological allies, your deranged comments mean nothing!; that they would respond to the balanced and finely articulated arguments of a “winged winger winging wingery wingz” more readily than one who gushingly attested to their deeply held, but forbidden, Obama love crush on the very same boards..?

          Face it; pwn3d, own3d, and bitter is no way to go through life…

          Come to the righteous side, allow me to take you on a transcendant journey of ideas and truths…

          Yes, bwah; as I’ve offered, I will be your Bodhisattva!.

          I mean, it’s the least I could do, as your better…

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        • Ann R Kissed
          December 13th, 2009 - 04:14

          “Thor, that post on Goldstein was the most beautiful distillation I ever saw. Kudos.”

          Posted by: Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain | Tuesday, 01 December 2009 at 06:09 AM

          “As Snowcone pointed out, Bob is also addicted to silly, self-deluding rationalizations to explain his racist outburts and silly ‘facts.’”

          Posted by: Richard Pennyfarthing | Monday, 30 November 2009 at 02:10 PM

          ——————————————–

          Gee, Bob, over at SEK’s they actually seem rather enthusiastic about my posts, but of you, not so much.

          Hot tears in Bob-land.

          I’ll be fishing today. And you seem to be coming unwound a bit so maybe you need a healthy respite from the near daily punkage you endure.

          All The Best.

          PS. I’ll teach you some knew words when I get back, I promise.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 13th, 2009 - 08:31

          I’m man enough to admit I was apparently wrong, and that folks responded to you once or twice…

          But how pathetic is it that you save that, as well as all of your own, commentary..?

          Wake up! Smell the coffee! See the light! I’ll lead you there!

          Have fun fishing…

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        • Pablo
          December 13th, 2009 - 10:00

          You’re all of a piece, boi! I think you’ve found a home.

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  13. BillN
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:41

    Of course it’s not “hatey” at all to call Michelle Malkin a cable news whore. To quote someone supposedly brilliant “You people are gonna get someone hurt.”

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    • Dan Collins
      December 10th, 2009 - 11:50

      You know, I haven’t seen it yet, but I understand that Michelle Malkin was on Hannity’s show last night, talking about Jennings. Don’t you think it might have been a good idea for Hannity to try to get Jennings? That’s pretty much the same thing that many people are saying with regard to Patterico and McCain.

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      • BillN
        December 10th, 2009 - 13:22

        That probably would be a good idea, as you said in your update Jennings might not look so bad if he would defend his actions. But I think this stategy goes beyond him to the whole adminastration. A just ignore the “wingnuts” and they’ll go away plan. Does’nt seem to be real effective though.

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  14. dicentra
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:49

    “I completely disagree with his unfortunate assertion that it is natural to be revolted by what is unalike,”

    As I pointed out at PW, “natural” can mean more than one thing. The more contemporary meaning implies “good” or “without blame.” But it’s also possible that for the purposes of his audience, RSM was using “natural” to mean “tied into the limbic system” or something in the evo-psych field.

    In which case, RSM’s intent veers away from racism and instead addresses the affect of race on inborn tribalism and other such questions.

    Because of the “if it feels good, do it” counter-cultural meme, we’re conditioned to see “natural” as something not to be ashamed of.

    But RSM wasn’t arguing with the general populace, he was arguing with people possessing various degrees of actual racism. He appears to be splitting a hair that usually doesn’t get split in public.

    Maybe if I get caught up on my sleep I’ll read that old usenet thread and see what I can come up with.

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    • Dan Collins
      December 10th, 2009 - 12:07

      Thanks, dicentra. What degree of revulsion are we supposed to be looking for, after all, that would be natural? The Bounty mutineers don’t seem to have had a lot of revulsion to Polynesian women. Yeah, I know, maybe they would have settled for sheep after being on a ship for that long. Maybe not.

      I can say that, given my very little exposure to them, I’m not particularly attracted to Pygmy women. If a hypothetical brother of mine married a Pygmy woman and had little Caucaso-Pygmy babies, I bet I’d find them darling.

      It’s true, on the other hand, that I find children who remind me of my own more attractive than others. This isn’t so much a matter of color, though, as it is of demeanor. I simply do not understand tractability, and floppiness I find repugnant. You’re right, though, that it’s a question worth considering. If I had a “type,” it would probably be Latinas. But I’m married to a redheaded Irishwoman, and I find her (and her “type” very attractive, too). Maybe it’s the result of having been exposed to images of Sophia Loren at a young age? Honestly, I don’t know. Or maybe the legend of the “Black Irish” is true and I’m reverting to my Spanish roots. Can’t say.

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  15. dicentra
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:53

    “addresses the affect of race”

    addresses the “effect” of race, should be.

    You see it wrong often enough, you can’t tell anymore without thinking hard.

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  16. timb
    December 10th, 2009 - 11:53

    One quibble, Dan. I am not a member of LGF and have never registered with them or commented there. My sole visit was to listen to Alan Colmes and RSM.

    Personally, RSM offends me on a basic, human level and I want him out of, relatively, mainstream politics. Racists and supporters of treason have no place in my ideal two party system.

    It is funny to me that you think I am part of a vast plot, since RSM’s racists sympathies are well-known (For instance macgruder posted them at PW just a couple of days ago and in the left blogosphere.

    I’m a grown up and, when someone posts a link, I can go read. It’s what I did on that guy. You can call it concern trolling all you want, but the right wing would be a far more interesting place if people like McCain were considered part of the fringe, rather than a Tea Partying patriot and people who read what he has written weren’t dismissed because you don’t like my idea of tax policy.

    Again, thanks for your time.

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  17. carin
    December 10th, 2009 - 12:40

    So, RSM should be kicked out of the “right wing?”

    What does that even mean?

    I’ll compile my list of those on the “left wing” whom I find offensive, and I’ll await their “purge.”

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  18. Lazarus Long
    December 10th, 2009 - 12:49

    “Personally, RSM offends me on a basic, human level and I want him out of, relatively, mainstream politics.”

    So who died and made you fucking God Almighty, moron?

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  19. The Sanity Inspector
    December 10th, 2009 - 12:52

    Do I think that Stacy McCain is a racist? No, I don’t. I completely disagree with his unfortunate assertion that it is natural to be revolted by what is unalike, because that confuses the whole issue of cultural conditioning, which is otherwise central to the whole argument that Stacy is making in the piece from which the comment is extracted.

    To me, that statement of McCain’s is just a went-to-college version of “Do you want your daughter to marry a …?” If he’s “grown” since then, fine. But if he won’t stick up for his good name, why should anyone else?

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  20. timb
    December 10th, 2009 - 13:05

    carin,

    you don’t know what right wing means. How cute. Your blogroll demonstrates otherwise. but, when your purge is done, maybe we can discuss it as we talk about how RSM wrote a series of posts on why Emmett Till’s murder “overblown” by the Civil Rights movement and was not a “public crime.” if you have something that can match that level of disgusting, I’m sure we can agree on whom to purge.

    lazurus,
    Aren’t you a nice addition to the PW fan club? Simpering, angry, profane…is he cloning from a prototype or what?

    As to your silly comment: I was unaware one had to be God to have wants. Won’t the kids be disappointed this Christmas when they learn they either have to blaspheme and declare themselves God or not have wishes. C’es la vie, eh?

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  21. JeffG
    December 10th, 2009 - 13:16

    Timb wants me out, too.

    After all, it’s his world, and it all exists to make him feel comfortable with himself. And the world would be totally super duper — and super comfortable — if the wingnuts who bother him were replaced by the wingnuts who cater more to his tastes. That way, he could show everybody how very open minded he is!

    Instead, he’s reduced to wandering the blogosphere, posting shit about me and my commenters whenever my name turns up.

    So very very pathetic, it is.

    Sorry, timb. WE’RE HERE AND WE’RE QUEER! GET USED TO IT!

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    • James Phelan
      December 10th, 2009 - 14:41

      And what have you been reduced to, Goldstein? Hosting a thor’s-mom-sucks-cock-in-hell website? Haha. Your patheticism has the discipline of a parasite, Ghoster G.

      I’m right here. If you wish to announce further false claims of my posting on your website, pojalsta fine Sir, be my guest. Is truth independent of a narrative, inquisitive minds want to know.

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  22. thethinmanreturns
    December 10th, 2009 - 13:17

    Hmmm. I’ve always enjoyed Mr. Feets’ ironical comments @ PW and other places. Many times, however, he’s called various politicians whom he doen’t like “gay” (Lindsay Graham)there seems to be some disconnect. He even seemed to agree that crossed the line with his “coward” description of Sen McCain, but ge’s back to doing it. Used to be that a day without Mr. Feets’ ironical observations was a day without sunshine. Now, he’s scroll-over material

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  23. Pablo
    December 10th, 2009 - 13:20

    TimB, perfecting the right wing since 12/09.

    How ever can we thank you, Timmah!?

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  24. Lazarus Long
    December 10th, 2009 - 13:31

    “As to your silly comment: I was unaware one had to be God to have wants.”

    You wouldn’t, you fascist moron.

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    • James Phelan
      December 10th, 2009 - 14:52

      Fuck Robert Stacy McCain.

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      • Bob Reed
        December 10th, 2009 - 22:54

        I’m sure he’d say the same thing about you, if he knew you existed…

        Go peddle you phony accusations of RAAAAAAACISM! somewhere they wanna hear it. Maybe you and timb can perform a two man act; as well as talk about how racist all the wingerz are!

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        • James Phelan
          December 11th, 2009 - 06:26

          Suck the racism from your joystick. Give our troops a chance.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 11th, 2009 - 06:52

          What was your MOS or Designator? Answers, pojalsta…

          Oh, and try using your real name and IP; it’ll give you some credibility.

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        • JeffG
          December 11th, 2009 - 06:58

          We ain’t dating. Name and number denied.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 11th, 2009 - 07:01

          I wouldn’t want people to be subject to the “natural revulsion” that would accompany our interracial relationship, whitey…

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        • JeffG
          December 11th, 2009 - 07:02

          Whatever, Blackie O!

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        • Bob Reed
          December 11th, 2009 - 07:41

          That’s still as amusing an appelation as the day I first used it…

          And still contains not one iota of racist intent, conscious or otherwise. For someone that fancies himself such a swag-meister, you sure are thin skinned; and prone to throwing around charges of racists and racism in an arbitrary and capricious manner.

          Didn’t you ever read the story of the boy who cried wolf?

          Oh, and if RS McCain is guilty of racism basedon this more than 10 year old observation, than so is Obama based on his “typical white person” remark that opportunely painted his granny; who gave her all to raise him after his socialist lovin internationalist wannabe mother checked out…

          There’s a long line of character in that bunch I can see…

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        • JeffG
          December 11th, 2009 - 08:03

          There’s a distinction in the eyes of the court between those who threw the rope over the tree and those who administered the noose and those who raised the innocent Nigger from his toes and those who merely stared smilingly.

          Degrees of separation.

          Which are/were you, Bob?

          C’mon, teepee Bob, name just one Nigger who you think might be smarter than half-white you. RSM is reading, I dare ya.

          “Early morning, April 4
          Shot rings out in the Memphis sky
          Free at last, they took your life
          They could not take your pride”

          Try again, you sneering blasphemous half-white.

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        • Bob Reed
          December 11th, 2009 - 08:16

          Thomas Sowell immediately comes to mind. So does John McWhorter, Walter Williams, and Larry Elder.

          Your vile use of the “N” word proves who is really the racist here…

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        • Ann R Kissed
          December 12th, 2009 - 05:48

          You got the question wrong, Bob. I didn’t say those that share your silly-assed, extremist, totally defeated conservative politics, I said smarter. But I did wonder why you didn’t mention Clarence Thomas. Was that because you thought RSM might read your post and recall Justice Thomas has a white wife which would cause RSM to violently vomit all over himself?

          Hahaha. Bleeech!

          A Sir Arthur Lewis type was what I was after, but of course in your Southern Confederate fishbowl world you probably know of no Sir Arthur Lewis types, or at least can’t admit to such. HA!

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        • Bob Reed
          December 12th, 2009 - 11:48

          I didn’t mention Justice Thomas because I knew you’d be screaming something about “Uncle Tom”; you know, the standard meme for dealing with his mention. And we all know how highly you scored in troll scholl, and always stick to SOP…

          Anyone of those guys I mentioned are orders of magnotude better thinkers than you. They are your better, bwah!

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  25. JeffG
    December 10th, 2009 - 15:12

    And what have you been reduced to, Goldstein? Hosting a thor’s-mom-sucks-cock-in-hell website? Haha. Your patheticism has the discipline of a parasite, Ghoster G.

    ?

    I’m right here. If you wish to announce further false claims of my posting on your website, pojalsta fine Sir, be my guest. Is truth independent of a narrative, inquisitive minds want to know.

    I have no idea who you are or what it is you’re talking about.

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    • James Phelan
      December 10th, 2009 - 15:43

      Feigned ignorance holds to sway in the court of thor.

      Some months back someone – a kid in Arizona as was later learned – posted crap that evidently insulted not only you but your kid – I can’t say exactly what is was since I never read it. You deleted posts offensive to you and yours while leaving up all posts blaming me, including crap like “thor’s Mom sucks cock in hell.” It’s not like I didn’t take the time to email and inform you that I wasn’t responsible for said posts and that without exception quit posting on PW. Hey, but who cares when the game being played is about group-thinkers casting group-judgments. Play it up! For the tips!

      You’re nobody’s hero and no victim: you simply play the role in hopes that a few spared dollars might adorn your sweaty g-string.

      That’s what I’m talking about, Ghoster G.

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      • James Phelan
        December 10th, 2009 - 15:43

        to = no

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      • JeffG
        December 10th, 2009 - 17:27

        Ah. So I’m in it solely for the money, then.

        Gotcha. Guess the only seemly way to make a living is buy low, sell high. The poetic should be free. For art’s sake. Because of the delectable russian tang and all.

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        • James Phelan
          December 10th, 2009 - 17:51

          Sell whatever you want, Jeff, but when you’re selling my objectification you should cut some of the vig. Haha.

          At least for a time you allowed the last of the big time penetrators to turn your concomitant into a muddy puddle of collective tears. Good times.

          Delectable enough.

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