Hell in a Handbasket [UPDATE by Dan]

23Apr/1027

Hell in a Handbasket [UPDATE by Dan]

After reading this, I wanted to write something about how the Reservation system needs to be abolished and how years of consequence-less entitlement has deteriorated American Indian culture into something barely human. I wanted to elaborate on how many times I've been other places and heard people glorify the "noble savage" and when I tell them what I've seen on the Res, I'm simply told, "The white man made them that way."

But you know, forget about my personal experiences and opinions. Simply put, a 13-year-old middle school girl was drinking with her 21-year-old brother and 19-year-old step-cousin when her brother passed out, then awoke to find his sister and step-cousin having sex, so he put his sister in a choke hold and when she went limp he threw her against a weight bench, killing her. Realizing she was dead, he and the step-cousin dragged her out of the house and hid the body under a tree. Then they resumed their drinking after deciding they just wouldn't tell anyone about it.

Somehow I'm sure that's the white man's fault. The "white man" did exempt

If you're not queasy yet, I'd like to suggest this story about a Reservation man who believes he shouldn't be prosecuted for beating his 22-month old daughter to death because it happened in "Indian Country" and therefore white man's law doesn't apply to him.

Likely I'll get called RACIST for this. But that word has been thrown around so much does it even mean anything anymore? I don't give a ---- what "race" a person is and I think it's about time we cared less about that and more about acting like human beings.

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Me
April 23rd, 2010 - 09:54

I just want you to know that when the hordes of legions of masses come after you, that I’ll still be your friend. :)

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someGit
April 23rd, 2010 - 09:58

The human atrocity that we allow as a society over misplaced guilt about a story of small-pox blankets some wanker delivered in another time in history is just…sad…

The tribes in Washington State have exploited their exclusive status to bypass fundamental laws, and have pretty well bought our major political figures here…

One day I am hopeful that it will be realized that many tribes are now essentially organized crime now…

all of this while exploiting many of the people of their own tribes…

If there’s a racist element to these things then it is the element that the tribes themselves use to justify what they’ve become based on their own perceived “race”…

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KillTruck
April 23rd, 2010 - 10:15

Hi, I’m on of those white people that’s part Native American except I usually never bring it up because they’re usually like 1/32 and that’s obnoxious. But I’m like a 1/8 so people should at least pay attention to 1/8 of what I’m about to say.

The three words missing from America’s never ending discussion of race in our post-racial society are “right from wrong”. Sane people instinctually have a raw perception of right from wrong, regardless of how F-ed up a place they live.

I’ve been thinking about this since I got in an argument with someone who blamed gang violence on poverty. The fact that your ancestors got screwed doesn’t give you the right to be a jerk. The most important character trait for successful people is personal accountability. I wish the “oppressed” could get that through their heads for their own well-being.

This also reminds me of one of m’ true crime shows (some ladies watch soaps, I watch Forensic Files) where a Native American guy got mad at his ex-wife, took her car and pushed it into a body of water. His two children were asleep in the backseat. When he was convicted he blamed “white man’s justice”.

I really hope this doesn’t end your blogging career.

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- Falahime
  April 23rd, 2010 - 10:39
  
  I laughed because I *am* one of those 1/32 people (from what research we’ve done, our would-be tribe doesn’t even exist anymore; they assimilated years and years ago, for whatever that’s worth). But I agree, it all comes down to personal accountability. However, it seems like so many of these people (I don’t mean Indians, just people who blame their crimes on others) don’t have the inherent understanding of right and wrong (like you said) so hoping/expecting they understand personal accountability is probably a bit much.
  
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Niki (Strawbrykiwi)
April 23rd, 2010 - 10:37

People should be accountable for their actions no matter who they are or what race they may be.

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Joe
April 23rd, 2010 - 11:26

Let me make a suggestion…

The whole concept of federal trustee ship for American Indian/Native American tribes is a source of the infantization of many native people. This is not universal, nor is it a condemning of Native People on any racial grounds. But there is a culture of dependency on many reservations that is extremely destructive. [The only racial issue that compounds these problems is Native Americans seem to be genetically more susceptable to alcoholism than Europeans, Africans, and Asians.]

Take is as a warning of things to come as the Government becomse more and more of a nanny state.

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Enoch_Root
April 23rd, 2010 - 12:18

since no one else will do it, I will – you are all racists!

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Joe
April 23rd, 2010 - 12:20

No more Indian frybread or low tax cigarettes for you Enoch. And you are not allowed in any Indian gaming facilities either.

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Bob Reed
April 23rd, 2010 - 12:26

RAAAAAAAAACISTS!

You are all Denounced and Condemned! With the Absolute! Moral! Authority! vested in me by my full-blood Cherokee grandma!1!11!eleventy

No, seriously, laws are laws.

I can see the tax-exemption, and perhaps other, auxiliary and additional, statutes that may apply on reservations; but they can’t supplant the basic codes of our nation as a whole.

While I understand the “diplomatic” spirit of the treaty agreements and reservation system, they do need to be clarified and modified in some cases.

Overall, I’m in agreement with KillTruck in her comment. There is no cultural excuse for inflicting harm on others; that is multi-culti BS.

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Enoch_Root
April 23rd, 2010 - 12:51

Joe – I take it back – all of the rest of you are still racists!

And, especially the % of Bob that is not Cherokee!

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- Bob Reed
  April 23rd, 2010 - 14:11
  
  Imagine the psych treatise that could be written about a racist half-breed h8tin’ on the non-white part of himself…
  
  Freud would have had to do extra blow to ruminate over that one…
  
  And then he would have chalked it up to an Oedipal urge anyway…
  
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Patrick
April 24th, 2010 - 04:28

Ya know… I’m just gonna say this. I’ll most likely be banned or some dumb crap for saying it. But screw it; I just do not care.

That idiot Negro in that video should be hung from a danged TREE. It would save our justice system so much money.

I would have told that thug to look forward once. If he didn’t, I would have shot his ass and turned and fired on that negro thug family. They should have been told to leave the courtroom.

It’s amazing, a NEGRO can do that crap; but you let a WHITE MAN kill a black man and it’s all over the damn news.

Good ROPE and a damn TREE! Would solve ALL THAT!

-Pat

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- Dan Collins
  April 24th, 2010 - 04:45
  
  I’m not going to ban you, Pat, but I’m going to let this comment stand as condign punishment. I don’t think idiotic tribalism is a legitimate answer to idiotic tribalism. I hope that on reflection, you don’t either.
  
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  - Patrick
    April 24th, 2010 - 08:38
    
    If we don’t stand for what is ours; we will be destroyed.
    
    Bank on it.
    
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    - Dan Collins
      April 24th, 2010 - 08:50
      
      If we make it about race, we reinforce their epistemological stupidity. Like that black interviewee said of the Tea Party people: “These are my people. Americans.” That guy has a lot more in common with me than Cass Sunstein does. I don’t want to have to answer for white folks generally, and I don’t want him to have to answer for black folks generally.
      
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    - Joe
      April 24th, 2010 - 10:23
      
      That is Paleo Pat, correct, not Patterico.
      
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    - Dan Collins
      April 24th, 2010 - 10:30
      
      Yes.
      
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    - Patrick
      April 24th, 2010 - 10:55
      
      Dan,
      
      Tell that to the families of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian okay?
      
      Tell that to the 5 college students murdered by black thugs in Washington State, I believe it was.
      
      Try reading The Bell Curve by Richard J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray
      
      Try reading the The Global Bell Curve by Richard Lynn
      
      Some of us, do not have rose colored glasses on; when it comes to multi-culturalism and race.
      
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    - Patrick
      April 24th, 2010 - 10:59
      
      Yeah, if you wanna call me “Paleo-Pat” fine, do it.
      
      That’s a bullshit assessment, I disagree totally with the Paleo-Conservative or Alternative Right’s take on Foreign Policy; which is mired in Conspiracy Theory. But I will NEVER, EVER embrace a damned line of thinking that teaches me, that it is EVIL to be White or that I should somehow be ashamed that I am white. Never…
      
      I am a PROUD White American and I personally do not care what anyone thinks about it.
      
      Just because you want to be a Nancy boy about your Whiteness Dan, does not mean that I have to be.
      
      America was founded by WHITE CHRISTIANS and we let the rest of ‘em in here. Somehow, I believe that was very tragic mistake.
      
      -Patrick
      
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    - Bob Reed
      April 24th, 2010 - 11:52
      
      Patrick,
      
      I don’t think anyone here is being a Nancy-boy about their white-ness; least of all the proprietor. But, several of us are Catholics and tend to believe that we should love one another as Christ instructed us, rather than try and further any artificial divisions based on race, ethnicity, etc.
      
      Although our great nation was indeed founded by white Christians, they went out of their way to ensure that the nation they founded would be one where all people enjoyed generous individual liberty based on the concept of the natural rights of man, freedom of idology and opinion, freedom of religion, and the concept that the right to govern arose from the consent of those governed.
      
      In short, just because the nation was founded by white Christians doesn’t mean that they sought for it to be theocratic state, nor that only white folks would immigrate. Indeed, if you recall, a great number of black folks were brought here against their will!
      
      I’m not hand wringing over that fact though, because I don’t ascribe to the identity politics connivance; we are all Americans, equal in the eyes of the law and by birth possessing an equal opportunity in life. Conversely I’ll simply say that, as far as their descendants go, they shuld look at the tumult in Africa and say, “there but for the grace of God go I”.
      
      So I would ask you Patrick, what is your opinion of Catholics? Am I somehow less than whole because of my substantial percentage of Cherokee blood? And should that impurity, that inbreeding, have precluded me from proudly joining the ranks of thise who have served our nation over the centuries? Maybe I should have swept floors instead of Fly Tomcats, or later work in strategic systems?
      
      Am I worthy, Patrick?
      
      The reason I ask these questions are to get a feel for your thinking. Because frankly, my friend, you come off more like the caricature conservative that the progressives always try to pass off; a moby in conservative clothing…
      
      But I’ve been wrong before, and I hope I am now.
      
      If so, a thousand pardons. And if not, well it’s your opinion.
      
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    - Dan Collins
      April 24th, 2010 - 12:35
      
      Patrick, as far as I know, you’re the one who created the name Paleo Pat, but if you don’t like it, I won’t use it. I don’t really care, because I don’t really know what a PaleoCon or a NeoCon are supposed to be.
      
      1) I really do believe that “content of his character” stuff.
      2) I don’t think that you are serious about the lynching approach; I think you were being deliberately hyperbolic.
      3) I’m not asking you to apologize for being white, which should be clear from my previous comments.
      4) It could be just the drugs talking. ;-)
      
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    - Patrick
      April 24th, 2010 - 13:06
      
      Paleo-Conservatism:
      
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-conservative
      
      Neo-Conservatism:
      
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Conservatism
      
      The differences:
      
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_and_paleoconservatism
      
      Just for your learnin’ pleasure….
      
      -Pat
      
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    - Patrick
      April 24th, 2010 - 13:16
      
      Just FWIW… which one am I?
      
      A bit of both actually. Hawkish, when it comes to the War on Terror. I reject the batshit crazy idea that WE somehow caused 9/11, that’s a anti-Israel, Pro-Arab, Pro-terrorist stance. However, I reject the notion of Nation Building.
      
      Personally, I think Bush badly mishandled 9/11. He should have followed the MONEY trail and NUKED every last damned Country that financed 9/11. Instead he just went after Osama, who was and still is a Figure head.
      
      Anyhow, Yeah, I am a from a Southern decent. I also believe that the confederates had and still do have a legit bitch. That stupid act of terrorism, by President Lincoln was not about Slavery, it was about CENTRALIZED Government being imposed on those who did not want it. Conversely, it became about Slavery, because Mr. Lincoln made that his rallying call. But the Confederates knew the truth and still do.
      
      Anyhow, no drugs here. Just someone who’s a bit smarter about things, than many people think, and I don’t tow party lines of any sort. The Neo-Con lie that anyone who disagrees with National Review’s or William Buckley’s idea of Conservatism is a Democrat is BULLSHIT my friend. Buckley was the pied piper of the U.N. that’s why the Bircher’s hated his guts.
      
      Anyhow, why do you think VDare was started, because when that Mexican Lopez took over, they fired all the real Conservative writers. It was a sad thing. But quite true.
      
      catch ya later…
      
      -Pat
      
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    - Bob Reed
      April 24th, 2010 - 21:44
      
      Yep. Moby, or caricature, or both…
      
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    - Patrick
      April 26th, 2010 - 04:26
      
      You know Bob, you can go fuck yourself, asshole.
      
      I made a fucking valid point, and just because you all are too fucking politically correct to agree with it; does not mean I am wrong.
      
      Have a nice day, dickhead.
      
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Patrick
April 24th, 2010 - 04:30

and by the way…

Every damned time, that I see something like that. I think to myself… Trent Lott was absolutely right and quite frankly, should be President.

White Man…. Represent!

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Mr.G
April 24th, 2010 - 09:35

Every time I go to the Cherokee Reservation in WNC, I think to myself…our tax dollars are paying for this??? I know several people “on the rolls” who’s only source of income is the bi-annual check they get from the gambling concession. They will spend their considerable check in the first couple of weeks, then they’re broke for the next 6 months. The local pawnshops are full of the stuff they bought with their ill gotten cash. They drink it up, smoke it up, snort it up, basically waste it. Some local companies take advantage of them in temporary loans with usurious loan rates, knowing they’re going to receive a big check soon.

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