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	<title>Comments on: Canadian CF-18 pilot joins the Martin-Baker fan club</title>
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		<title>By: sammy small</title>
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		<dc:creator>sammy small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dakota435:  I looked at the pic again and did see the subtle difference in nozzle size upon a second look.  

So is this typically started in mil power with a transition to ab at some point?  Was this an engine failure or just a failure of an ab lightoff?

Either way, there is no room for recovery if you fly into this kind of situation and experience an significant glitch like an engine problem.  Remember the Mig-29 crash at the Paris Airshow in 1989? SSDD.  I guess that&#039;s what make airshows exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dakota435:  I looked at the pic again and did see the subtle difference in nozzle size upon a second look.  </p>
<p>So is this typically started in mil power with a transition to ab at some point?  Was this an engine failure or just a failure of an ab lightoff?</p>
<p>Either way, there is no room for recovery if you fly into this kind of situation and experience an significant glitch like an engine problem.  Remember the Mig-29 crash at the Paris Airshow in 1989? SSDD.  I guess that&#8217;s what make airshows exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, as someone elsewhere pointed out, a real demonstration of modern ejection-seat technology.

The picture Theo Spark, among others, has shows the airplane from the side elevation. The rockets on the seat have already brought Capt. Bews to a near-upright position, the drag chute is already deployed -- &lt;em&gt;and the blown-out canopy is still in shot!&lt;/em&gt;

Regards,
Ric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, as someone elsewhere pointed out, a real demonstration of modern ejection-seat technology.</p>
<p>The picture Theo Spark, among others, has shows the airplane from the side elevation. The rockets on the seat have already brought Capt. Bews to a near-upright position, the drag chute is already deployed &#8212; <em>and the blown-out canopy is still in shot!</em></p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ric</p>
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		<title>By: Dakota435</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dakota435</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the exhaust nozzles in the high res pics.  One is in afterburner (flared to create an hourglass profile in the duct; necessary for the supersonic flow when reheat is on)  and one is not.  The right engine was clearly malfunctioning.  The airplane&#039;s movements agree with this.

The demo maneuver he was doing was a clean low speed pass.  Perfectly safe as long as an engine doesn&#039;t crap out just when it is needed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the exhaust nozzles in the high res pics.  One is in afterburner (flared to create an hourglass profile in the duct; necessary for the supersonic flow when reheat is on)  and one is not.  The right engine was clearly malfunctioning.  The airplane&#8217;s movements agree with this.</p>
<p>The demo maneuver he was doing was a clean low speed pass.  Perfectly safe as long as an engine doesn&#8217;t crap out just when it is needed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting observation sammy small.  I didn&#039;t mention it in the articlem because it seemed too much like an &quot;inside baseball&quot; observation to me, but I&#039;d encourage you to look at the series of still photos I linked to; especially the first picture in the series.

Look closely at the engine nozzles in the rear of the aircraft.  You&#039;ll see that the starbord side nozzle is un-dilated, in what appears to be the &quot;full grunt&quot;, full military power setting, configuration while the port side is the full open dilated configuration-which makes sense.  On afterburning jet engines, the nozzles are almost completely dilated at idle settings, narrow for higher throttle settings at subsonic speeds, but dialate again when the burner is lit to accomodate the higer flow rate.

Now as you said we won&#039;t know for sure until the investigation is complete.  But based on the visual clues of the nozle configuration, I suspect that either the engine failed and Captain bews responded to the need for power by lighting the burner on the remaining good one, or perhaps burner blowout, due to the nozzle failing to dilate, was the cause of the engine failure itself.

That&#039;s why I took for granted the wittness&#039; description of the engine being out.

You are correct though, in your observation that a very high level of induced drag is inherent during a high alpha pass maneauver.  And, as I mentioned, after the engine failure there was no way that the pilot could keep up with the power demands, and didn&#039;t have the altitude to drop the nose, reduce the drag, and recover.

And your observation of the the dangers of slow speed flight in a high performance fighter is partially correct; flight in near stall conditions is dicey for any aircraft that doesn&#039;t enjoy a high thrust/weight ratio.  Slow speed flight is more a problem with delta wing configurations than the F-18&#039;s planform, although to some extent all aircraft lose significant control surface authority at slow speed due to the wing&#039;s optimization for high speed flight.  And, to be fair, high levels of induced drag also accompany increased flap settings, because induced drag is fundamentally drag due to lift; which is why it increases with increasing alpha, since the lift coefficient is linear with respect to alpha until the wing stalls, or when C/L is increased by extending flaps.

Still, you&#039;re right that it appears that no flaps were extended.  And. I couldn&#039;t tell from the photos whether the leading edge extension were deployed either; LEX&#039;s trip the flow turbulent across the wing&#039;s upper surface and, although they increase drag a bit as well, delay separation substantially.  They are one reason that the F-18 can sustain such high AOA and contributes to its maneuverability.

So, while you bring up good points, I think I&#039;ll stick with my suspicion that the engine failed while the pilot was executing a high alpha pass and, because of the drastically redued thrust/weight ratio and low altitude was unable to regain control-which led instead to a demonstration of the Martin-Baker &quot;zero/zero&quot; ejection seat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting observation sammy small.  I didn&#8217;t mention it in the articlem because it seemed too much like an &#8220;inside baseball&#8221; observation to me, but I&#8217;d encourage you to look at the series of still photos I linked to; especially the first picture in the series.</p>
<p>Look closely at the engine nozzles in the rear of the aircraft.  You&#8217;ll see that the starbord side nozzle is un-dilated, in what appears to be the &#8220;full grunt&#8221;, full military power setting, configuration while the port side is the full open dilated configuration-which makes sense.  On afterburning jet engines, the nozzles are almost completely dilated at idle settings, narrow for higher throttle settings at subsonic speeds, but dialate again when the burner is lit to accomodate the higer flow rate.</p>
<p>Now as you said we won&#8217;t know for sure until the investigation is complete.  But based on the visual clues of the nozle configuration, I suspect that either the engine failed and Captain bews responded to the need for power by lighting the burner on the remaining good one, or perhaps burner blowout, due to the nozzle failing to dilate, was the cause of the engine failure itself.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I took for granted the wittness&#8217; description of the engine being out.</p>
<p>You are correct though, in your observation that a very high level of induced drag is inherent during a high alpha pass maneauver.  And, as I mentioned, after the engine failure there was no way that the pilot could keep up with the power demands, and didn&#8217;t have the altitude to drop the nose, reduce the drag, and recover.</p>
<p>And your observation of the the dangers of slow speed flight in a high performance fighter is partially correct; flight in near stall conditions is dicey for any aircraft that doesn&#8217;t enjoy a high thrust/weight ratio.  Slow speed flight is more a problem with delta wing configurations than the F-18&#8242;s planform, although to some extent all aircraft lose significant control surface authority at slow speed due to the wing&#8217;s optimization for high speed flight.  And, to be fair, high levels of induced drag also accompany increased flap settings, because induced drag is fundamentally drag due to lift; which is why it increases with increasing alpha, since the lift coefficient is linear with respect to alpha until the wing stalls, or when C/L is increased by extending flaps.</p>
<p>Still, you&#8217;re right that it appears that no flaps were extended.  And. I couldn&#8217;t tell from the photos whether the leading edge extension were deployed either; LEX&#8217;s trip the flow turbulent across the wing&#8217;s upper surface and, although they increase drag a bit as well, delay separation substantially.  They are one reason that the F-18 can sustain such high AOA and contributes to its maneuverability.</p>
<p>So, while you bring up good points, I think I&#8217;ll stick with my suspicion that the engine failed while the pilot was executing a high alpha pass and, because of the drastically redued thrust/weight ratio and low altitude was unable to regain control-which led instead to a demonstration of the Martin-Baker &#8220;zero/zero&#8221; ejection seat!</p>
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		<title>By: sammy small</title>
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		<dc:creator>sammy small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see anything in the video which indicated an engine problem.  It could have happened, but I don&#039;t trust ground observers.  The accident report will yield the answer.  

However, what I saw was a fighter flying deeper into an unrecoverable situation.  Slow flight in a high performance fighter is on the edge of control.  Induced drag increased dramatically and it can quickly get behind the power curve whereby there isn&#039;t enough power available to fly out of the condition.

One other thing. I don&#039;t know specifically about the CF-18, but looking at the head-on picture, I see no flaps or flaperons extended at all.  That makes it all the more difficult to fly out of such a low speed, high AOA situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see anything in the video which indicated an engine problem.  It could have happened, but I don&#8217;t trust ground observers.  The accident report will yield the answer.  </p>
<p>However, what I saw was a fighter flying deeper into an unrecoverable situation.  Slow flight in a high performance fighter is on the edge of control.  Induced drag increased dramatically and it can quickly get behind the power curve whereby there isn&#8217;t enough power available to fly out of the condition.</p>
<p>One other thing. I don&#8217;t know specifically about the CF-18, but looking at the head-on picture, I see no flaps or flaperons extended at all.  That makes it all the more difficult to fly out of such a low speed, high AOA situation.</p>
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		<title>By: serr8d</title>
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		<dc:creator>serr8d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://cowboyblob.blogspot.com/2010/07/angel-flight.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;music-video-flight of fancy&lt;/a&gt; you might appreciate, Bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://cowboyblob.blogspot.com/2010/07/angel-flight.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/cowboyblob.blogspot.com/2010/07/angel-flight.html?referer=');">music-video-flight of fancy</a> you might appreciate, Bob.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to add Reagan to the list. Because our man blames him for all societies ill&#039;s since 1980.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to add Reagan to the list. Because our man blames him for all societies ill&#8217;s since 1980.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed that detail the first time through!  I&#039;m sure that having to eject is a sphincter puckering experience; one that I never had to experience first hand, thank God.

Although I have experienced in-flight engine failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed that detail the first time through!  I&#8217;m sure that having to eject is a sphincter puckering experience; one that I never had to experience first hand, thank God.</p>
<p>Although I have experienced in-flight engine failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great video serr8d, I may turn that into a post itself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great video serr8d, I may turn that into a post itself!</p>
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		<title>By: Enoch_Root</title>
		<link>http://powip.com/2010/07/canadian-cf-18-pilot-joins-the-martin-baker-fan-club/comment-page-1/#comment-25479</link>
		<dc:creator>Enoch_Root</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s a pretty intense video - nose up stall to starboard - when pilot at 90 degrees, he punches out - stall and nose into the turf. he is said to be ok, landing unconscious and being dragged by his chute a couple hundred feet. 

the interviewed a man who witnessed it - looking a bit like Janet Reno and sounding a bit like Himmler. 

I&#039;ll do it before Tohr does - I blame the Joooooooooows. And Busch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s a pretty intense video &#8211; nose up stall to starboard &#8211; when pilot at 90 degrees, he punches out &#8211; stall and nose into the turf. he is said to be ok, landing unconscious and being dragged by his chute a couple hundred feet. </p>
<p>the interviewed a man who witnessed it &#8211; looking a bit like Janet Reno and sounding a bit like Himmler. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do it before Tohr does &#8211; I blame the Joooooooooows. And Busch.</p>
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