POWIP Piece of Work In Progress – Former Abode of Dan Collins

26Apr/113

Mountains of Public Finance, Pensions, and Unions DOOOOOM 26April2011

For all that Monty has been doing his fiscal DOOM posts at AoS (and check them out, they're good and depressing), I still claim I've been doing them longer (albeit focusing on the pensions stuff mainly).

But there's plenty of room for more people with sandwich boards proclaiming THE END IS NIGH. So it's all good.

GENERAL PENSIONS STUFF

The people who brought us the classic Trillion Dollar Gap report last year now follow up with an even bigger gap:

The gap between the promises states have made for public employees’ retirement benefits and the money set aside to pay for them grew to at least $1.26 trillion in fiscal year 2009—a 26 percent increase in one year—according to a Pew report.

The Widening Gap: The Great Recession’s Impact on State Pension and Retiree Health Care Costs analyzes 2009 and 2010 data on states' funding of pensions and retiree health care. The report shows how states’ retirement systems—many of them already on shaky ground—were affected by the Great Recession:

-Pension funding shortfalls accounted for $660 billion of the $1.26 trillion gap, and unfunded retiree health care costs accounted for the remaining $635 billion.

-States had only about $31 billion, or 5 percent, saved toward their obligations for retiree health care benefits.

-State pension plans were 78 percent funded, declining from 84 percent in 2008.

Use our interactive map below to see state-specific data on funding for public sector pensions and retiree health care.

If Dan can yank that Flash-enabled interactive map at the link and embed it here, that would be great. If not, hie ye over to the Pew site and play with it yourself. What's really annoying, of course, is the huge lag in info -- they're telling you the balance sheet position as of 2009 -- but given how long-term these liabilities are, 2 years really isn't that huge of a lag.

Of course, 2009 was the last time the pensioners of Prichard, Alabama got paid. Ask them if two years is a long time or not.

And I want you to note how much money has been stashed away for retiree health care -- basically none. Up until recently, government entities could account for these liabilities on a pay-as-you-go basis, without figuring in any future costs. As you can imagine, given former demographics, this understated the liability. GASB (the Government Accounting Standards Board) changed this only a few years ago... and states are playing catch-up now. But you'll see many still aren't putting by any provision for this.

Luckily, many states don't have a constitutional provision protecting retiree health care. So guess what? The moment it really becomes unsustainable, it will be dropped. I think that may fix all those too-early-retirement ages (unless some idiot listens to Robert Reich and drops the Medicare eligibility age below 65).

Here's P&I's coverage of the Pew Report from above.

Here's some government group trying to talk happy. Yes, it's propaganda. Please, mister, don't take away our DB pensions!

Speaking of, Michael Barone asks if the U.S. can afford DB pensions at all (public or private). I think we can, actually, but it requires more modest benefits. At the very least, I think some longevity risk can be diversified away.

Unless Aubrey de Grey is successful. Work til you're 200! Talk to Lazarus Long...

Andrew Biggs explains valuation rates and how the value of a liability does not decrease simply because one funds it with riskier assets. More on valuation rates.

Oh look, the once untouchable current pensions are very touchable (NYT link).

Conventional wisdom and the laws and constitutions of many states have long held that the pensions being earned by current government workers are untouchable. But as the fiscal crisis has lingered, officials in strapped states from California to Illinois have begun to take a second look, to see whether there might be loopholes allowing them to cut the pension benefits of current employees. Now the move in Detroit — made possible, lawyers said, because Michigan’s constitutional protections are weaker — could spur other places to try to follow suit.
....
Pension funds can run out of money. In Prichard, Ala., a small city outside of Mobile, the fund ran out in 2009. The city stopped sending pension checks to its 150 retired workers, defying a state law that requires it to pay what it has promised. In the 19 months since the checks stopped, 18 retirees have died while waiting for their money.

GENERAL UNION SHENANIGANS

Gov. Haley of South Carolina challenges Obama and the NLRB for yanking prospective jobs from her state over union issues.

More on the NLRB complaint against Boeing.

Union of federal workers urging their members not to vacation in "anti-union" states. Guys, the high gas prices will prevent your members from vacationing at all. Win-win.

ALABAMA

Bill to require employees to contribute more to their pensions, to take effect May 1.

ARIZONA

Pension bill headed to governor's desk (presumably signed by now) - modifies benefits down.

CALIFORNIA

Jerry Brown whines at GOP.

Marin county seeing rising pension costs

More on SF pension reform proposals: Adachi finalizes his proposal for ballot; unions have a competing proposal...watch for the fireworks. Adachi pleads his case.

Bell, Calif., trying to claw back some money from its corrupt officials
via their pension funds.

The evil conservative California population looking kindly upon capping public pensions.

CONNECTICUT

A review of pension spiking

FLORIDA

Fire chief resigns before his pension changes.

GEORGIA

Atlanta mayor details pension reform proposal, threatens service cuts without benefit cuts.

Atlanta firefighters make their own proposal.

ILLINOIS

State employee union bitches that it may be asked to contribute to its own pension fund. More bitchery on same.

Editorial: it's going to go through the courts at some point, so just pass the laws, start amending the state constitution, and do it you weenies.

KANSAS

At least 10 years of pension pain projected for Kansas.

MASSACHUSETTS

Corrupt official gets his pension back, while he's still in the slammer.

MICHIGAN

An argument for the pension tax, conveniently ignoring that people would just leave Michigan to not pay the tax. Idiot.

And yet another pension tax variation. Dude, give it up. Taxes aren't your salvation.

NEW HAMPSHIRE

Alderman notes the obvious: as cuts are proposed, people will retire to avoid proposed cuts.

NEW JERSEY

Pension talks being somewhat quiet... after the very public warning of what may happen if nothing is done (i.e., current retirees will see payments lower)

Mr. Bingley's own little slice of DOOM: salaries go down 2%, benefits go up 20%.

NORTH DAKOTA

Negotiations with ND teachers pension fund ongoing...they need to increase payments to the fund in the short term.

OKLAHOMA

Looking into ending unfunded pension mandates - to wit, cost-of-living increases. Evidently, they didn't have a minimum retirement age stated, either...so they raised it to the oh-so-high age of 60 for new hires.

RHODE ISLAND

Benefit growth is getting to Cranston police and firefighter plans.

The unfunded liability in RI climbs 27 percent. William Jacobson of Legal Insurrection reviews the situation.

EUROPE

Greek pensions loaded with Greek sovereign debt.

UK teachers told they need a reality check. They're suing and striking.

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15Apr/115

Reality Hitting: Demography, Retirement Ages, and New Jersey

Some months back, the magazine of the Society of Actuaries, the Actuary, ran an article about a supposed epidemic of dementia that was going to sweep over Canada (and the world in general). It was written by some Canadian consultant who was trying to get the government to pay for her services (at least, that's how I read it).

I did not react well to this article. The following is the screed I hastily tossed off to the editor:

A few remarks on this article in the recent issue of The Actuary:

First, a jarring phrase in the sidebar:

This accepting attitude has allowed governments to ignore their
plight and happily accept the $25 billion a year in unpaid labor

Oh, heaven forbid that family members care for each other, when "the government" should have been picking up the tab. Oh my, we care for our autistic son when he should be institutionalized. How dare the state expect me to deal with him.

Now, clearly some people do need care beyond the physical (and mental) abilities of family members, but the fact that people with mental disabilities can be difficult to live with does not mean that it's the responsibility of "the government" to make the difficulties of life go away. I think those who colonized Canada may have thought this sentiment odd; one did not go to Canada for the harshness of life to be worn away in the swaddling embrace of the state. And certainly one did not expect someone else to take on the responsibility of caring for one's aging mother. It was a duty to do so.

But that's just a side issue, distracting from the main thrust of the article. It's not clear to me that senile dementia is actually an epidemic in normal terms. I tried to look around for some statistics on dementia incidence by age and sex, and came across many articles and abstracts. Here are a few:

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/55/9/809

http://www.ahaf.org/alzheimers/dementia-in-extreme-elderly.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224103353.htm

It seems that the issue is that dementia incidence increases with increasing age. There seems to be sex-differentials in types of dementia (for some reason women have higher incidences of Alzheimer's Disease, but men have higher incidence of vascular dementia). But in general the reason you have more female dementia sufferers is that more women survive to older ages, and older people have a much higher incidence of dementia.

So it seems that this "epidemic" is just a part of the larger mortality trends we see impacting retirement systems: people are living longer, and there are consequences to that. Yes, there is early-onset Alzheimer's Disease, but that forms a small percentage of senility issues.

And while the author gives recommendations that suspiciously sound like it would help her own organization (how convenient that I can click in the author bio and end up at her business's website), here is one of my own recommendations to help combat this issue:

Get people to work longer.

Source:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/18/alzheimers-disease-dementia-retirement

To quote the linked article:

Working beyond normal retirement age might help stave off dementia, scientists said today.

Keeping the brain active later in life appears to reduce the chances of an early onset of Alzheimer's disease, according to a study of 382 men with probable dementia. The researchers suggest a significant link between later retirement and delayed symptoms.

....

The researchers found no link between education or employment and dementia risk, but found that those who retired later prolonged their mental abilities above the threshold for dementia.

Of course, it can be that those who will have earlier dementia retire earlier due to mental difficulties, but given that life expectancy past the old "traditional" retirement ages has increased greatly over the past century, it's just good public policy in general to encourage people to work well past what used to be the age of decrepitude but is currently an age of still quite good productivity.

Another recommendation is for people to have more babies right now. Because those caring for the elderly senile population when it swells over the next few decades due to demographic patterns already baked-in will be those born right now if they want strong, young backs to help physically.

Going back to my first point, while it has been considered the duty of family to take care of each other, due to dwindling fertility, and relatively high divorce rates, ultimately it will be non-family members providing a huge amount of care to the extent that these elderly will be cared for. So it would help if there are plenty of people to work in this sector.

Or perhaps Japan will have improved robotics so well that actual human beings will not be needed.

In any case, it doesn't help to look at this "dementia epidemic" as some discrete occurrence, as it is part of the same demographic issue currently roiling Europe and soon to hit North America as well (though our fertility rates haven't cratered as badly...at least not yet).

I do understand that this author is not an actuary. But if we keep on pushing the concept of actuarial work as embracing risk management in a global sense, it does us no good to look at a problem as some isolated issue when it is part of a larger trend that is impacting so much.

I may have been a trifle exhilarated when I wrote it. In any case, the magazine printed it (pages 8-9) without many edits.

But this is a major point that many miss: people are living to much older ages now in huge numbers, and they didn't have many kids (and then there is the increasing percentage of childless women). This is going to have a huge effect on retirement and long-term care possibilities, even for the Boomers. The demographic crater will have an impact well before my generation becomes decrepit.

There needs to be a readjustment of expectations for everybody, in terms of what is feasible.

Consider the multifarious impacts of retirement age. In this analysis by Bill Zettler, retiring at age 55 compared to age 65 increases a pension cost by almost 70% by itself. The current issue of the Economist has an entire section on retirement, pensions, and public finance - their editorial accompanying the feature indicates that our retirement age expectations are still way too low.

But wait - good news! Because the economy sucks so bad, Boomers have had to readjust to the reality, and no matter what they had planned on, realize they may need to work to higher ages. If you want a wonkier overview of the issues, here's a presentation from the American Academy of Actuaries on retirement issues from a Capitol Hill briefing yesterday.

But let's make it concrete. Consider the sad case of NJ pensions. Actuary John Bury's latest post is titled The Obvious Answer to New Jersey’s Pension Mess :

Scare the retirees to death.

At least that’s what it looks like when New Jersey’s Senate president Stephen Sweeney tells retirees they could see their pensions cut by two-thirds without reforms.

The bizarre part is he’s absolutely right…..though I don’t think he really believes it.

If every retiree, current and future, had their benefits reduced by two-thirds it would indeed save the plan since the contributions are averaging about one-third of what they should be. But who would sign up for this solution?

John calls it scaring the retirees; I call it managing expectations.

A year ago, I explained how one can fulfill long-term financial promises, and how, if they're not prepared for, the promises will not be kept. People need to know as early as possible how realistic their expectations are. The various hissy fits being thrown by public unions are denials of this reality, and a refusal to admit that their expectations will not be met.

Because they won't.

If nothing else, other than not having enough rich to tax, there aren't enough people, period, to support an increasing number of non-working adults. You didn't have enough kids, Boomers. There will be consequences to that. Sucks to be you.

But hey, if you work to older ages, you can stave off some senility! Win-win!

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Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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23Feb/118

I understood that there would be no math

[Silly people - with Meep, there's always math!]

Recently we saw the new White House spokesman getting broken in by Jake Tapper:

"If I borrow money from you to pay off the interest for the debt I owe to Geoff, am I not adding to my debt? ... The president seems to think that that borrowing money to pay the interest on the debt is not adding to the debt. I don't understand that math."

That's been a theme of late. A lot of tricksy math, that at its heart, is shown to be a total fraud. Here's a bit of math I think any of us can understand:

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

That's the wisdom of the inimitable Mr. Micawber from David Copperfield [a Dickensian character who was a thinly disguised copy of the author's spendthrift father]. A wisdom that the current generations are learning the very very hard way.

Let's look around to see if we can see more harsh math, shall we?

The government's primary activity? Moving tiny bits of green paper around:

That's supported by fewer and fewer people:

Need to have money for retirement? You really should be saving lots more than you already are. No really, you're screwed. Big reason for being screwed - longer life expectancies [even in Canada!]. And unrealistic expectations...or treating expectations as certainties.

And here's something quick for New Jersey public employees considering retirement. But given how well the pension has been funded... well....that's what you get from having an electorate that doesn't care about math. [Math is hard! Aren't there rich people we can tax?]

Enough doom and gloom! Let's look at happy math! [and speaking of rich people to tax....]This here guy just had great bank from his old boss -- that's new White House chief of staff Bill Daley who got $8.7MM from J.P. Morgan.

Okay, enough happy talk. Back to penury. California teachers pension headed toward insolvency. Illinois governor seeking federal backing of pension obligation bonds....ha ha, good luck with that one, Quinn, with a Republican House. As per Jake Tapper questioning borrowing to pay for interest payments, others are questioning Quinn's borrowing plan for Illinois.

San Diego retirees, I don't know how much longer you'll be getting that 13th check pension bonus.

For those who want a bit more public pension valuation wonkery, Girard Miller breaks down some of the major issues in the area.

And back to some more hopeful math -- Gov. Perry of Texas challenging the UT system to figure out how to cut costs. Well, I guess it's hopeful if you're a prospective student. The profs might not be as happy about it. Hmmm, perhaps I know of a company that could talk with them [the fact I contract with them is clearly coincidental]... [UPDATE: A plan for reaching the 10K degree, and yes, online videos are involved.]

MORE MATH: The dismal math of fixing Social Security - if we want the benefit structure to be unchanged and make a fix right now, then payroll taxes must bump up from 12.6% to 15.7%. But that's assuming a change is made right now. I favor changing the benefit structure to make people change their behavior to working longer.

Parents to pay up for public schools in California, beyond normal taxes

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Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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3Jan/1115

Boomer Retirement Watch — 3 Jan 2011

I have a few google news alerts set up to help me hoover up all the retirement- and pension-related articles out there [I also have help from people like Dan and a few correspondents who send along interesting stuff]. And a bunch of Boomer retirement whining has started to creep into my alerts. I figure I might as well turn this into a feature.

DUH RETIREMENT ADVICE FOR BOOMERS:

[edited heavily for content]

1. Have a plan
2. Save more
3. Retire later
4. Scale back your lifestyle
5. Delay Social Security

6. Quit whining

Speaking of whining:

The first of the baby boomers—the post-war Americans born between 1946 and 1965—start to hit retirement age in 2011. And they're not coasting gracefully into the golden years. The entire nation, of course, lost its spunk during the recession that lasted from 2007 to 2009. But the once-upbeat baby boomers seem to be taking the longest to shake off the blues. According to surveys by the Pew Research Center, 80 percent of boomers say they're dissatisfied with the way things are going in the country, a higher proportion than any other age group, younger or older. Part of that may be natural, since people in their 50s tend to deal with the highest amounts of stress and show the lowest satisfaction levels. But the boomer bummer may also reflect the changing fortunes of America itself, and widespread unease about the nation's future.

Yes, I know I'm an unpleasant person to be around b/c I remind people of stuff like their mortality [I'm not here to make friends]. But the way I really annoy is I know a lot of history. And seriously? People have it pretty sweet now compared to prior millennia.

So guess what? Many of the boomers will live well into their 90s, and if they want to avoid the cat food route, they should keep working til they really can't do it any more.

Some note that the boomers' problem is their own fault:

The people who want their benefits preserved are the ones responsible for the problem. After all, it was they who broke the "chain of trust" by which each working generation supports the retired generation's benefits. They reduced the number of their children to about two per family, or even fewer, so that today there are about 60 to 70 million fewer consumers and workers than there would have been, and that many fewer people to support the boomer retirees and soon-to-be retirees.

It would be condign punishment if the boomers' benefits were indeed cut; it would be the utmost in "fairness." In the meantime, the coming generation of workers must be educated to the economic and demographic benefits, and even psychological benefits, of stable marriages and families with many children, say six to eight.

In other words, to save Social Security, have babies.

Now, my parents had 3, but it was nothing on my mom's family of 6. My dad came from a family of 3, though.

Those darned Protestants.

[Love ya, grandma!]

Gag-inducing story from NPR:

It may be hard to believe, but the generation that transformed America as it came of age in the 1960s is now entering its senior years.

"There are 7,000 boomers a day who will be turning 65 in 2011, which is a significant birthday for sure," says Steve Cone, executive vice president of AARP.

Sixty-five used to be the age when Americans stopped working, kicked back and embarked on serious leisure to make up for all those decades of the daily grind. But just like with every other stage of life they've gone through, baby boomers are expected to transform how we think about "retirement."

If I hear about how the boomers are reinventing hip replacement and senile dementia, I will be very, very displeased.

More stupidity in being surprised that time moves at 1 year per year:

Green Bay's first baby boomer graduated from West High School and maintains close ties to the community.
....

"I didn't think of myself as a baby boomer until it started being talked about," he said. "Right away I realized, 'Hey, I'm the first.' I thought it was cool."
....

"I'm kind of surprised that I'm that old. I feel kind of young," he said about reaching retirement.

What, did he expect to be dead by now? How the hell can he be surprised to get old? This is one of the most inevitable things that happens to person [and you can't be surprised to be dead...well, maybe you can, but people generally aren't quoted about that]. You can be surprised to have a broken leg or a kid from a dalliance decades past that you didn't know about. But surprised to get old?

Dear lord, we're going to have at least 20 years of this, aren't we?

[Love ya, ma!]

Meep

Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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22Nov/102

Retirement Age roundup – 22 Nov 2010

  • Retirement age patterns around the world.

    Key tidbit: "Many governments relaxed retirement-age rules in the 1970s and 1980s, and are now restoring retirement ages to their former levels." And why might there have been loosening in those particular decades... hmm? Perhaps the boomers were coming into the workforce as a glut, and could support more retirees than previous demographics could. Too bad those boomers didn't have enough kids to keep that gravy train rolling.

  • Canada looking at its own retirement age increases. With the earliest boomers getting to keep the previous generous benefit....well, for now.
  • Germany sticking to its guns. Retirement age to be raised to 67 from 65. And yet you will not hear as of many protests as the French have...where their move was just 60 to 62.
  • From the great socialist state of Bolivia, a movement in the opposite direction: retirement age to be dropped to 58. Smoke up, comrades! You've got a duty to drop dead soon after retirement, or this will not keep up!
  • And here in America, a little reality about the Social Security retirement age:

    In 1940, retiring workers collected benefits for an average of 14 years. Today, that number is up to about 22 years. When today’s 4 year olds retire, retirees would collect Social Security for almost 26 years. In other words, an already beleaguered Social Security system falls farther behind demand.

    ....
    If, for instance, we were going to draw benefits for as long today as we did when the system was young and healthy, we shouldn’t retire until age 75. As for those 4-year-olds we worry about, their retirement age should bump up to 80.

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Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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21Nov/108

Doing Public Pensions the Right Way

Long version here from Girard Miller at Governing.com. A separate report from the Government Finance Officers Association is here.

Short version:

  1. 1. No crazy benefits
  2. 2. No crazy assets
  3. 3. Pay for benefits when they accrue (and not after the person has retired), and make sure employees have skin in the game
  4. 4. Get real about benefit assumptions (e.g., asset return assumptions, retirement ages, etc.)

Of course, the problem is that for many public pension plans, it's way too late to do this. As per Dan's earlier post, there's a nice little cycle going on where the politicians goose the pay and benefits for themselves and public unions, and the public unions make sure these pols get re-elected (or provide a soft landing should they lose office).

Miller had a followup where he talked about adjusting retirement ages, or at least adjusting benefits downward for actuarial equivalence for early retirement. I have various technical questions about this. But this is all tinkering on the edges.

The inherent problem - that of very interested actors "choosing" their bosses (via electoral effort) and politicians voting up their own benefits and that of the public unions, I have a modest proposal:

1. No pensions at all, of any kind, for politicians.

2. No public unions.

I figure that would be a good start.

Just as a starting point.

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Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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15Nov/103

Social Security — Much Ado About Cutting

Figuring out Social Security benefit formulas can be complex -- there are a lot of moving parts, with salary caps, inflation/productivity indices, bend points, etc.

But the easiest variable to understand is the Full Retirement Age. The higher that is, the lower your benefit at any given age of taking Social Security benefits. Raising that is essentially a benefit cut.

One of the proposals to come out of the current deficit/debt reduction talks is to increase that FRA. The American Academy of Actuaries made an official recommendation for this a few years back, but it seems the time is ripe now for that discussion to really do it. While the Academy (of which I'm a member), notes that there's a demographic issue -- people are living quite a bit longer than in prior decades, especially women, I think the demographic issue is not so much life expectancy in retirement, but number of workers supporting a retiree. Simply put, the Boomers did not have enough kids. If they had reproduced in a manner similar to their parents, they probably could have afforded a nice long retirement just like their parents.

But we have the situation we're in, so now what to do? Andrew Biggs is recommending not just increasing the NRA, but increasing the age of first eligibility. Even though legislation in the 90s has raised the FRA from 65 to 66 (for Boomers) to 67 (for Gen Xers), the minimum age hasn't budged a bit from 62. Problems with that: age of eligibility for Medicare isn't until 65, so there are issues there; the great majority of people take SocSec benefits within that year of first eligibility, and end up with a much smaller benefit than if they waited til later. By the way, raising the age of first eligibility will not change the balance sheet solvency of SocSec, as the benefits are roughly "actuarially equivalent" no matter the starting retirement age (that's why the benefits are so much lower if you start at age 62 as opposed to age 67 -- they really are trying to make the result equal).

That said, the issue for Social Security isn't just solvency but actual cashflows. I'm not sure how Biggs' proposal will affect the cashflow balances of OASDI taxes versus benefits paid out, but that's our short-term problem. Social Security has already "flipped" from being a cashcow in OASDI receipts to being a suck on the Treasury. The "Trust Fund" is having to pay out.

Now, there's all sorts of negative responses to the idea of raising either the FRA or the early retirement age. For one, not every group has similar life expectancies (though I noted in the comments there that black women have a higher life expectancy than white men... not much attention is paid to the sex gap in life expectancies. This holds even in life expectancy from age 65, not just birth). Most people have realized that raising the FRA is a benefit cut.

At this point, it's all about managing expectations. I think my generation knows it's not going to have the sort of SocSec cover that our parents (the Boomers) will...but I think the Boomers are going to need to manage their own expectations as well. As I mentioned above, they didn't have enough kids, and they're not going to get the "full" payment their parents did. I'm fine with "The Greatest Generation" having cushier benefits than mine or the Boomers - they did pay for it in sacrifices in WWII as well as great productivity in terms of economics as well as babies. But the Boomers didn't pay for it with babies. Sorry, guys.

So for all the stories about how SocSec is the third rail, and you can't touch Boomer benefits... I don't think that's true. Yes, some may have to fall on their swords, but reality is here, and if it's not taken care of now, some major corrections will force it to happen. The grandchildren aren't going to pay for it (partly because there aren't enough grandchildren), because the Chinese won't be willing to pay for it in the interim.

I think Social Security will eventually become an explicit welfare program for the elderly, but we have a long way to go before we get there. Changing the retirement age(s) is but one step.

PRIOR POSTS:

  1. Social Security and retirement age roundup
  2. Time to "fix" Social Security
  3. Social Security politics - What wasn't said

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Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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10Nov/101

What are the French up to? (with pensions)

Nicolas Sarkozy for months now has been trying to get a change in the French pension laws so that early retirement age gets moved from 60 to 62 (it had been 62 before, I believe, and then the socialists moved it down to 60 in 1982), as well as moving the age for full retirement benefits up to 67. We already have that for Social Security, by the way, for Gen Xers and beyond. There is another person saying we should move up the age of eligibility for benefits from 62 to 65 (and I'll write about that another time).

Anyway, it seems the way French legislation gets passed is that it goes through the legislature, then some board checks its constitutionality (hmmmm), and then the President signs it. Well, looks like it got past the constitutionality review. The French unions are trying to work their protest magic, but I think this is going to fizzle:

Most of France's main trade unions called a new day of nationwide protest against the government's pension reform for Nov. 23, a union official said.

The unions called the new day of protest in the face of plunging turnout at protests since the parliament adopted the reform on Oct. 27.
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Cracks have also appeared in unions' unity over keeping up the pressure on the government. Three groups -- the militant Force Ouvriere and the moderate CFC-CGC and CFTC unions -- were not backing the call for action on Nov. 23. (Reporting by Laure Bretton; Writing by Leigh Thomas; editing by Ralph Boulton)

This is either the 9th or 10th protest planned. And none of these have had any effect on the legislation. Sacre bleu!

Funny how whining has no effect when the money runs out. As my mom used to say, when we'd throw a fit in the grocery store because she wouldn't buy the day-old Krispy Kremes: "We don't got the money of"

Someone commented elsewhere on the French protests as to when would the protests come to the U.S. about public benefits being cut in favor of bailing out banks, corporations, etc.?

1. The lack of money to boost Social Security, Medicare, U.S. public pensions, etc. has nothing to do with the bailouts. Sure, that funny money would've been helpful in the short-term to stave off the eventual crisis, but the demographics are not good. But hey -- if the oldsters would smoke more or go for those death panels... we may be in business!

2. We already had these protests. But because said protesters were not paid to be there, were not bussed in, were not waving around giant puppets or going nude or smashing windows... some thought those weren't protests at all.

And a week ago, those who thought those weren't protests found out they were wrong.

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Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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25Oct/100

It’s Our Birthright!

Established 1982 via the Socialists in France.

I mean, that birthright is younger than I am. It's younger than both my sisters. It's younger than my husband's Eurovan (that caught fire at a gas station a couple years back, but that's neither here nor there).

To compare - here's a list of official retirement ages from around Europe. A few countries still have separate retirement ages for men and women (illegal as per the EU bigshots... and it doesn't make much sense, given that women are much more long-lived than men. But the countries with sex-separate retirement ages are phasing them to equality over several years, and some are doing it cold turkey.) Countries with retirement age 67: Norway, Denmark, and Germany in years to come (normal retirement age for us Gen Xers in the U.S., too). Many have 65 as the comparison point.

As noted in many other pension/retirement-related posts here at POWIP, if you want to retire young: SAVE YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY.

Of course, in the Socialist Paradise of France, it's tough to do that, given you're being taxed to let a bunch of whiny brats retire at the age of 60.

Only if you guys had increased your smoking habits, instead of banning smoking in various public places. Where was you patriotism then? Why did you undermine your birthright!

Well, there's always the Soylent Green/Logan's Run solutions.

Meep

Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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20Oct/103

Reality will hit

Hey guys, have been away at an actuarial conference since Sunday.... did I miss much?

I see that Monty at Ace of Spades has posted on something I've posted about several times before in my posts on public pensions, Social Security, and retirement age.

So I will just repost the comment I made at the AoS:

The short story: the "mandatory" spending ain't mandatory. When it's too much.... those benefits will be cut, and bonds will be defaulted upon [or in the case of fed spending, there will be the printing of money to lower the value of the bonds].

Seriously boomers? The gravy train will end. You guys didn't have enough kids, and the kids you did have will feel no obligation to pay your debts or benefits. And so they will not pay them.

Bon appetit.

Meep

Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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